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meanings that are developed later in the article. The use of the term "parameter" is not restricted to science. It is commonly used in arts, in architecture, in philosophy, in politics and so on... Any artistic or architectural project will be designed in relation to diverse parameters which can be environmental, emotional, technical and so on. Why should the article favour the mathematical meaning of the term?--
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