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money in real estate. The fact that you are no longer connected to the PLA really works in your favor, because you no longer need to turn over any funds to the PLA and can keep it all for yourself, and you don't have to waste any time doing army stuff that you weren't really interested in doing anyway. You can't count on people actively in the military to bail you out anymore, but with your old army buddies and lots of money to spread around, I think you can easily make up for that lost guanxi.
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of a great or medium power's military. If any such situation did arise, it would almost surely be able to be foreseen far enough in advance that the oil reserve could be increased. So, it would be good to know how large of a deployment we're talking about and at what level of activity, how often the reserve is replenished, and how much petroleum would have to be consumed from more conventional sources before the PLA was forced to rely on it.
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officers who got their nominally civilian positions through 关系 (guanxi -- "relationship") with the people who are still in the PLA and who send a flow of money and goods through that link. So, officially the PLA is out of private business. Practically, it is out of private business except for the sucking up the money part of it. --
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Ok maybe I'm not a educated enough to know the difference between compulsory service and conscription. As a lay reader, I found it confusing that the body of the text says there is compulsory service for 18 year old men, but the side bar says there is no conscription. I would appreciate clarification
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His/her point is, that, all of China's civilian population born after 1981 (when the compulsory military training was established) is a potential militia. This is true - all high school students spend a couple of weeks in training, which includes basic firearms usage, obstacle courses, martial arts,
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I would like to know for the PLA and its officers, if they are required a certain degree or level of education? the US commissioned officers are required a university degree... British officers, not necessarily as NCOs, but i think these are rare cases... anyone know the answer to this? hard to find
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So I wouldn't say that the connection between private businesses and the PLA is strong now. One of the big reason that the reforms were successful was that no one lost. If you were a PLA army officer making huge amounts of money in real estate, you just retired and then kept making huge amounts of
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Yes, there are large numbers of businesses which are run by former PLA officers, but the important thing is that they are retired PLA officers, and not active ones. Also, one of the *big* parts of the Jiang reforms of the 1990's is that the PLA itself is not now funded by private businesses. Jiang
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I'd also like to point out that the "two weeks" statistic for the PLA's petroleum reserves doesn't mean much without some qualifications. How many troops out of the total strength are being deployed? It's hard to imagine any situation in modern warfare that would cause the deployment of nearly all
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Also, the PLA, from personal knowledge, has military bases in several city centers. I have visited a military base as part of the chamber of commerce of UK, Australia and New
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The PLA does not own or manage any private businesses. They are, however, massively on the take and have the power to, well, expedite or shut down businesses on the flimsiest of excuses. Further, many of the businesses that they have "got out of" are now run by... former PLA officers. Former PLA
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The above mentioned quote is not merely wrong, but it is deceptive as well. Conscription of a populace in excess of 1.2 billion would be next to impossible. And if the general populace is in opposition to the war, mass revolts could happen as well. A military of 5-7 million cannot handle nearly a
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Not to minimize the importance of a single human life but in terms of numbers, it seems silly to include numbers in this article such as "600,000,001 males" being available for military service. Obviously these numbers are in constant flux and percentage-wise it seems literally absurd. It's like
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Soldiers in the PLA are not conscripts, that's definitely true, but high school students do receive some sort of military training for something like one week. I mean there are 1.3 billion people in China, if they do have conscription, the country will be bankrupt. The fact that China has a large
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2) The fact that we are even considering matching the PLA up against the United States means something. If the PLA could hold off the United States military for a month and then collapse, that's hardly a paper tiger, since that's far, far more than any other military I can think of can do. It's
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Would it be considered very non-NPOV to point out that the PLA is basically a paper tiger? It currently has no strategic oil reserves worth mentioning (most estimates place it at about two weeks) and thus would fall apart in relatively short order should China ever get into a shooting war with,
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I don't think that it is really NPOV to use the US DOD estimates of military spending(like the 4.3%GDP estimate for China). The US DOD tends to use (generally inflated) estimates of total defence-related spending when it discusses potentail adversaries, while it only uses the official military
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from oil in case a military conflict. Its hard for me to imagine that a conflict over Askai Chin or the
Spratlies would result in a loss of oil. Even in the case of conflict with the United States over Taiwan, one could imagine the PRC still being able to get oil from Russia or Kazhakstan.
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Why do the (People's
Republic) Chinese bother with having a party separate from the state (which is a one-party state to begin with), and having the army report to both? Why not just make the party the state? There, problem solved, no further hassles or hackles.
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Chinese government doesn't even allow mentioning unit numbers/names in public - so where you might see "the fifth fleet" in a US news report, in an equivalent Chinese news report it would say "a certain fleet of the PLA Navy..."
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I'll dig through what I can find. For obvious reasons this is information that the
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It's meant to show that it's 600 million not rounded off, but exact. You can round 590 million off to 600 million, where is less than a 2% difference, but it's much more precise if you add in an extra 1 to show that it was not estimated or 'rounded off.'
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What's the difference between this and the rotating doors found in american government, both military and civilian? Retired officers enter the private sector, many times into the arms trade, certainly a possible comflict of interest there too?
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My first thought was that the MND has no role in assuring continued party control of the armed forces; that's the job of the political commissars. My second thought is, 'wait a minute; isn't the MND mainly about budgeting?' Comments welcome.
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At best this section would be considered worded badly, at worst it would be non-NPOV without sources. In either case, this should be changed. I will go ahead and do so in a few days and a few other areas in the page to make it more NPOV.
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In PRC male and female are conscripted for service in PLA. Francesco PLA soldiers are not conscripts but it is definitely true that there are female soldiers in the PLA, in contrast to the all male ROC (Taiwan) army
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billion revolting people. Also, this is hubris because of the sheer strength of the weapons of other nations. Even our conventional weapons could take out large swaths of military populace. Extremely biased quote.
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Why does this article make no mention of the invasion of Tibet? Regardless of your POV regarding Tibet (so don't start shooting me down with that "Tibet was always part of China" POV), the PLA was still involved.
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I read on a blog that Costco was owned in part by the People's liberation army. It's a blog, so is not admissable as a source. Can anyone find a source to back this up? All I've found are blogs of different
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However, it was also the same PLA soldiers who drove tanks into the streets of
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The spelling "defense" was used 28 times in this article, and "defence" was used 6 times. Aren't there any wikipedia spelling policies? Personally I think "defence" is the better option, because "defense" is
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also not diplomatically insignificant, in that the possibility of fighting a costly war, even one which it would ultimately win, can and does cause the United States to alter its foreign policy.
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Anybody got information about PLA recruitment policies and actual trained reserves potential? I don't think that all males of the right age qualify as reserves there.
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population means that it does not have to rely on conscription. In fact, the PLA claims that the large number of soldiers it has is hindering its modernization.
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who was founded in China to develop post-nuclear super weapons in seven fields can not be mentionned in this article? If it is really a "sci-fi novel", them is
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Bleh, we're all very much aware of the "threat" the PRC military poses to the West, but I'm curious as hell what the rest of South East Asia thinks of them.
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i remember this, it was broadcasted on a chinese channel in 2005 probably. it was basically a landing exercice. it was quite impressive though.
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1959 Occupation of Tibet? What in the world are you talking about? PLA was in Tibet since 1950 and it NEVER LEFT! What do you mean occupation?
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saying that Air Force One does "701 miles per hour"; that's sheer nonsense.
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1419:Zhao Keshi
1364:Zhang Yang
1331:Li Shiming
1320:Fu Tinggui
1265:Xu Qiliang
1243:Wu Shengli
712:Project 863
656:Han Xianchu
510:—Preceding
483:—Preceding
270:—Preceding
249:—Preceding
219:Paper tiger
113:—Preceding
77:—Preceding
36:This is an
1857:FairuseBot
1820:The image
1411:Sept 2007
1334:Sept 2007
1268:Sept 2007
1257:June 2003
1254:Hu Yanlin
1235:Sept 2007
1191:Sept 2004
1180:Sept 2004
1177:Xu Caihou
1158:Sept 2004
1155:Hu Jintao
979:Roadrunner
920:Fullmetalj
898:Basic Fact
834:Battle Ape
403:Todd Kloos
355:Roadrunner
235:Roadrunner
211:Roadrunner
1904:Archive 1
1747:Arilang
1716:QueenCake
1537:</ref
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1444:Oct 2007
1433:Jul 2007
1422:Jul 2007
1400:Jul 2007
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1356:Jun 2006
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1301:Dec 2003
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1246:Aug 2006
1224:May 2001
1213:Oct 2007
1202:Nov 2002
1188:Li Jinai
1169:Nov 2002
965:Hong Kong
803:Espionage
788:as well.
770:Shadowrun
687:Hanfresco
663:Hanfresco
605:Adeptitus
591:Adeptitus
582:Adeptitus
552:Education
463:Dedekmraz
320:MTR (严加华)
61:Archive 1
1826:fair use
1710:Problems
1691:contribs
1666:contribs
1624:info box
1612:contribs
1539:DOR (HK)
1509:DOR (HK)
1467:sorts...
1123:DOR (HK)
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1080:contribs
1022:contribs
906:and the
844:DOR (HK)
512:unsigned
485:unsigned
386:Skyfiler
326:Removed
272:unsigned
251:unsigned
115:unsigned
79:unsigned
1882:archive
1799:frigate
1793:Frigate
1703:(Kèyì)
718:Newsmax
646:In the
148:Michael
141:GABaker
135:Michael
39:archive
1578:Mxiong
1462:Costco
1141:Title
1054:Tibet?
1046:Jeroje
944:Yongke
890:Yongke
740:Sumple
700:Sumple
564:Sumple
544:Sirkeg
424:Sirkeg
396:Budget
366:Sirkeg
291:Akaloc
247:zZaz
204:weeks.
1638:PLAAF
1144:Name
1032:Image
969:Macau
937:1989.
870:Bobb
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1863:. --
1807:talk
1781:talk
1769:only
1720:talk
1688:Talk
1679:李博杰
1663:Talk
1654:李博杰
1635:PLAN
1609:Talk
1600:李博杰
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1093:李博杰
1077:Talk
1068:李博杰
1019:Talk
1010:李博杰
1001:See
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916:1946
912:1937
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744:Talk
738:. --
697:Can
677:talk
568:Talk
520:talk
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