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President of Iraq even though he no longer was in power. Under international law, a head of state can lose his position only by actions undertaken by the indigenous people of that nation; e.g. defeat in a popular election, or a military coup. Since the Iraqi people did not take action against Hussein or demand his resignation as did the Indonesian people with Suharto in 1998, it was not considered valid that he lost his status. Hussein's removal from office was a result of the US invasion, which may also be questionable under international law as to its legitimacy.
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During the trial of Saddam
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Presidents of Iraq, per se - more of an interregnum between presidents. I'm not sure what they do elsewhere. It might be better to have the entire occupation as a single entry, or alternatively list teh State Presidents as the successor to Hussein.
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for an example of another country where an office that had many different powers is lumped together in one article. Have you got an example of a country whose article is organised in the way you would like to see this one done?
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Died in shower? What? The main Abdul Salam Arif article says he was killed in a helicopter crash. Which is correct?
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