696:
31:
64:
461:
85:
174:
382:
364:
22:
392:
95:
771:. The fact Jerusalem is home to government institutions and serves as a spiritual center for the three major Abrahamic religions, does not cancel out Tel Aviv being a primate city due to being Israel's social, economic, and cultural center and its metropolitan area being home to 50% of the Israeli population.
651:
I think the tables are rather silly. They encourage the addition of cities in small countries which would never be described in sources as "primate cities" (e.g. with all respect to St Kitts and Nevis, Basseterre). And they suggest that primacy is a completely objective measure which can be measured
564:
and gives
Auckland and Wellington as an example. But as far as I'm aware, Auckland was already the larger of the two, and was the de facto original capital, and the choice of Wellington as capital was part of a conscious political strategy to position the government nearer to the South Island. So is
580:
The Map is also wrong as it shows NZ as not having a primate city, when in fact
Auckland is, in fact, almost 5 times larger than Christchurch and Wellington, and is the only city in NZ with a popultion greater than 1 million. 33% of the country's population and 38% of the national economy. No other
747:
Currently, there is a world map with certain countries colored red if they do NOT have a primate city--those that do are left "blank map gray", as it were. This seems counterintuitive--don't most maps in articles highlight the places that ARE the thing the article is talking about? I'd suggest
703:
If the tables are kept, i would suggest having a specific column for "References" - at the moment due to copy-pasting the same reference is often copied multiple times. Note for example this reference (which is about Oslo) has been copy-pasted to over 10 different rows incorrectly.
679:
if the designation of it as a primate city isn't sourced. By the time you reached the end of your comment, though, you were contradicting your first sentence, which implied that the tables should be removed rather than restricted to sourced entries. I'm in favor of the latter.
193:
722:
which explicitly says that "Tel Aviv has been Israel's primate urban agglomeration since the 1920s (Reichmann 1972)", has been removed several times now, while the copy-pased Oslo reference entries stay on the table.
748:
redoing the map, coloring primate countries red and leaving non-primate cities gray. (Yes, the map has a caption clearly stating that red is for countries without primate cities, but... Why is it backwards?! Ugh.)
652:
by "population of city rank 1 is more than double population of city rank 2", whereas the rest of the article indicates its more nuanced than that. I think it would be better to only retain cities in the table
308:
749:
814:
266:
527:
The list of primate cities in Europe seems a bit too short. If the city no. 1 twice as big as no. 2 rule is used Sweden, Portugal and possibly also Poland should make the list.
322:
35:
804:
259:
252:
839:
819:
223:
197:
609:
280:
238:
151:
799:
809:
829:
141:
245:
834:
824:
117:
219:
273:
844:
422:
294:
794:
753:
582:
534:
108:
69:
695:
405:
369:
315:
204:
186:
44:
213:
287:
510:
477:
489:
570:
336:
50:
21:
538:
671:
A similar was floating through my mind yesterday. As you say, it isn't a precise arithmetic definition, so
530:
301:
709:
661:
586:
566:
421:
on
Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
116:
on
Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
685:
672:
617:
231:
772:
724:
495:
776:
728:
705:
657:
629:
598:
329:
491:
460:
418:
100:
84:
63:
681:
613:
767:
People should really stop removing Tel Aviv from the list of primate cities. Tel Aviv is
676:
675:
doesn't suffice to exempt the inclusion of a city in the table from the prohibition of
173:
788:
397:
718:
I think that it's especially jarring that an entry I added for Tel Aviv, which uses
381:
363:
218:. To help assess the quality and importance of geography articles, please see:
387:
194:
Requested articles/Social sciences/Geography, cities, regions and named places
90:
769:
explicitly called "Israel's primate urban agglomeration" by a reliable source
768:
719:
113:
581:
city or urban area in New
Zealand having a population greater than 450,000
493:
780:
757:
732:
713:
689:
665:
634:
621:
603:
590:
574:
542:
694:
414:
410:
496:
454:
15:
595:
I don't think that's true, please include your source.
560:
A non-capital primate city may also emerge organically:
409:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
309:
Geography articles with topics of unclear notability
112:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
815:
Knowledge (XXG) level-5 vital articles in
Geography
654:
if a reliable source describes it as a primate city
323:Knowledge (XXG) requested photographs of places
267:Articles missing geocoordinate data by country
610:List of New Zealand urban areas by population
504:This page has archives. Sections older than
8:
805:Knowledge (XXG) vital articles in Geography
19:
528:
358:
181:Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
159:
58:
840:Start-Class WikiProject Cities articles
820:Start-Class vital articles in Geography
360:
253:Geographic related deletion discussions
60:
800:Knowledge (XXG) level-5 vital articles
750:2601:408:C402:8D6D:AC97:9995:11CD:3C3C
514:when more than 5 sections are present.
224:Unknown-importance geography articles
126:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Geography
7:
608:Do you disagree with the numbers at
403:This article is within the scope of
281:Geography articles needing infoboxes
239:Geography articles needing attention
210:Tag related article talk pages with
106:This article is within the scope of
49:It is of interest to the following
810:Start-Class level-5 vital articles
431:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Cities
14:
830:Mid-importance geography articles
508:may be automatically archived by
163:WikiProject Geography To-do list:
459:
390:
380:
362:
198:Missing articles about Locations
172:
93:
83:
62:
29:
20:
146:This article has been rated as
835:WikiProject Geography articles
825:Start-Class geography articles
295:Knowledge (XXG) requested maps
129:Template:WikiProject Geography
1:
425:and see a list of open tasks.
220:Unassessed geography articles
120:and see a list of open tasks.
845:All WikiProject Cities pages
781:22:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
626:I commend your enthusiasm!
575:03:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
437:WikiProject Cities articles
434:Template:WikiProject Cities
861:
795:Start-Class vital articles
733:12:00, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
714:10:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
690:09:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
666:03:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
647:The tables are not helpful
635:20:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
622:15:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
604:12:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
591:07:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
152:project's importance scale
758:23:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
543:20:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
375:
158:
145:
78:
57:
743:(Slightly) Confusing Map
260:Geographical coordinates
552:Wellington and Auckland
699:
565:this truly "organic"?
511:Lowercase sigmabot III
698:
214:WikiProject Geography
109:WikiProject Geography
43:on Knowledge (XXG)'s
36:level-5 vital article
700:
556:The article says:
417:and various other
406:WikiProject Cities
132:geography articles
45:content assessment
545:
533:comment added by
518:
517:
483:
482:
453:
452:
449:
448:
445:
444:
357:
356:
353:
352:
349:
348:
345:
344:
852:
633:
632:
602:
601:
561:
513:
497:
474:
473:
463:
455:
439:
438:
435:
432:
429:
400:
395:
394:
393:
384:
377:
376:
366:
359:
246:Deletion sorting
217:
187:Article requests
176:
169:
168:
160:
134:
133:
130:
127:
124:
103:
101:Geography portal
98:
97:
96:
87:
80:
79:
74:
66:
59:
42:
33:
32:
25:
24:
16:
860:
859:
855:
854:
853:
851:
850:
849:
785:
784:
765:
745:
649:
628:
627:
597:
596:
559:
554:
525:
509:
498:
492:
468:
436:
433:
430:
427:
426:
396:
391:
389:
341:
337:Geography stubs
211:
131:
128:
125:
122:
121:
99:
94:
92:
72:
40:
30:
12:
11:
5:
858:
856:
848:
847:
842:
837:
832:
827:
822:
817:
812:
807:
802:
797:
787:
786:
764:
761:
744:
741:
740:
739:
738:
737:
736:
735:
701:
648:
645:
644:
643:
642:
641:
640:
639:
638:
637:
567:TooManyFingers
553:
550:
548:
524:
523:European list?
521:
516:
515:
503:
500:
499:
494:
490:
488:
485:
484:
481:
480:
470:
469:
464:
458:
451:
450:
447:
446:
443:
442:
440:
423:the discussion
402:
401:
385:
373:
372:
367:
355:
354:
351:
350:
347:
346:
343:
342:
340:
339:
325:
311:
297:
283:
269:
255:
241:
227:
200:
180:
178:
177:
165:
164:
156:
155:
148:Mid-importance
144:
138:
137:
135:
118:the discussion
105:
104:
88:
76:
75:
73:Mid‑importance
67:
55:
54:
48:
26:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
857:
846:
843:
841:
838:
836:
833:
831:
828:
826:
823:
821:
818:
816:
813:
811:
808:
806:
803:
801:
798:
796:
793:
792:
790:
783:
782:
778:
774:
770:
762:
760:
759:
755:
751:
742:
734:
730:
726:
721:
717:
716:
715:
711:
707:
702:
697:
693:
692:
691:
687:
683:
678:
674:
670:
669:
668:
667:
663:
659:
655:
646:
636:
631:
625:
624:
623:
619:
615:
611:
607:
606:
605:
600:
594:
593:
592:
588:
584:
579:
578:
577:
576:
572:
568:
562:
557:
551:
549:
546:
544:
540:
536:
532:
522:
520:
512:
507:
502:
501:
487:
486:
479:
476:
475:
472:
471:
467:
462:
457:
456:
441:
424:
420:
416:
412:
408:
407:
399:
398:Cities portal
388:
386:
383:
379:
378:
374:
371:
368:
365:
361:
338:
334:
332:
331:
326:
324:
320:
318:
317:
312:
310:
306:
304:
303:
298:
296:
292:
290:
289:
284:
282:
278:
276:
275:
270:
268:
264:
262:
261:
256:
254:
250:
248:
247:
242:
240:
236:
234:
233:
228:
225:
221:
215:
209:
207:
206:
201:
199:
195:
191:
189:
188:
183:
182:
179:
175:
171:
170:
167:
166:
162:
161:
157:
153:
149:
143:
140:
139:
136:
119:
115:
111:
110:
102:
91:
89:
86:
82:
81:
77:
71:
68:
65:
61:
56:
52:
46:
38:
37:
27:
23:
18:
17:
766:
746:
706:Matthewmayer
658:Matthewmayer
653:
650:
630:Alexeyevitch
599:Alexeyevitch
583:202.62.41.81
563:
558:
555:
547:
535:80.208.64.43
529:— Preceding
526:
519:
505:
465:
404:
328:
327:
314:
313:
300:
299:
286:
285:
272:
271:
258:
257:
244:
243:
230:
229:
203:
202:
185:
184:
147:
107:
51:WikiProjects
34:
419:settlements
41:Start-class
789:Categories
682:Largoplazo
614:Largoplazo
302:Notability
251:Listed at
478:Archive 1
123:Geography
114:geography
70:Geography
39:is rated
763:Tel Aviv
720:a source
673:WP:2+2=4
531:unsigned
466:Archives
773:Glide08
725:Glide08
506:90 days
274:Infobox
232:Cleanup
150:on the
428:Cities
411:cities
370:Cities
205:Assess
47:scale.
677:WP:OR
415:towns
330:Stubs
316:Photo
28:This
777:talk
754:talk
729:talk
710:talk
686:talk
662:talk
618:talk
587:talk
571:talk
539:talk
335:See
321:See
307:See
293:See
279:See
265:See
237:See
222:and
196:and
192:See
288:Map
142:Mid
791::
779:)
756:)
731:)
712:)
688:)
664:)
656:.
620:)
612:?
589:)
573:)
541:)
413:,
216:}}
212:{{
775:(
752:(
727:(
708:(
684:(
660:(
616:(
585:(
569:(
537:(
333::
319::
305::
291::
277::
263::
249::
235::
226:.
208::
190::
154:.
53::
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
