1636:"Finally, liberals are more likely to support the Democratic Party in America and a Labour party or Liberal Party in Europe and Australia, while progressives tend to feel disillusioned with any two-party system, and vote more often for third-party candidates". This seems confusing. Very few European countries have a Liberal Party as one of their big two, so the natural interpretation of the sentence is to look at Australia, where the Liberal Party is a rightwing conservative party despite its name. Besides, relatively few European countries have a two-party system, unless you mean two-party in the weak sense of two-party-dominant. In Germany for example, the third-party and fourth-party scene is about a million times more vibrant than the third-party scene in the USA. And only a small minority of Europe's mainstream social democratic parties are called Labour.
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the rest of the article, which is strongly biased in the other direction, conflating political progressivism with the general notion of progress, talking about it in glowing terms ("demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from barbaric conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society" … "nobility of
Western civilization, worth of economic/technological growth, faith in reason and scientific/scholarly knowledge obtained through reason, intrinsic importance and worth of life on earth" etc.) It's not a well-balanced article, but almost entirely paints
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therefore irrelevant. More relevant is that readers will NOT get a clear understanding of the topic by reading this article. Nowhere in the article are the core tenets of progressivism actually outlined or even hinted at (except in the egregiously misrepresentative lead); instead, the article just lists what people identifying as progressives happened to support throughout history. That obviously isn't sufficient to form a "clear" understanding of the topic, much less when progressives have supported positions as disparate as pro-eugenics and anti-social
Darwinism.
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reprimanded for NPOV left-wing political activism on WP. 2) TFD is ONLY cherry-picking three individuals on this list that he for some reason does not want to be publicly listed as being progressive, perhaps because in the USA 'progressive' has started taking on an increasingly negative public opinion in the past couple years. That's the only reason I can think of. My point here is why is TFD not removing ALL members from this list, since NONE are sourced, and only targeting these three, when the others on the list do not meet the requirements for the same policy?
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Chomsky and so forth being side show attractions. Presumably, this, the near total lack of a politically effective left is one of those contradictions in American politics overripe for resolution. So the distinction between "liberal" and "progressive" is overdetermined here, "liberal" doesn't mean what it does globally, and in as much as it's a central pillar of the "centre right nation" cant doesn't mean progressive at all.
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removal was done as a specific target against me, not against the content. When an editor selectively picks three additions I made a year ago to remove on the basis of not being cited, but leaves the rest of the names there also without citation, it is clearly a target against my additions, even though mine carried the same (and MORE) rationale for being added. As I was clearly being personally targeted, I have strong arguments to consider that a vandalism of my edits.--
1373:"Progressive" is simply a political ideology of advocating for social reform through government action. Aside from the use of loaded words throughout the article, every socio-political ideology is "progressive" in the way it is now described in this article. The problem with calling it "left statism" is that "statism" is a Libertarian term for those opposite to Libertarian ideology, but it is still the opposite of Libertarianism, particularly "right Libertarianism".
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themselves as progressives borders on the absurd. Any attempt to post those citations will no doubt result in TFD starting a month-long war deleting citations as well. We need a non-partisan experienced editor to put a stop to TFD's ongoing blockade of subjects that appear to be damaging to his political ideology. he also needs a stern warning regarding targeting specific editors, instead of content. This incident proves this accusation. --
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the changes they approved of as anything but reform. And then it contradicts itself with its talk about conservative and reactionary, because reactionaries, by definition, and conservatives, in reality, want changes, and being human regard them as reform. Without some explanation about what kind of changes, it's not neutral. ("Positive changes" or other such euphemisms also don't cut it. No one wants negative change.)
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WELL-KNOWN and DEEPLY DOCUMENTED progressives is beyond absurd. So absurd, that any further removal of my PROPERLY CITED additions will lead me no choice but to file yet another NPOV complaint to add to your resume of using WP as a leftist propaganda platform. I halfway expect TFD to now start advocating for removing ALL names, since the only cited ones are the ones he is desperate to hide from public view.--
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type of "ism". I agree with
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is just original research. The original progressive position incidentally was not that government impose solutions based on modern principles, but that governments should be run according to modern principles. So while progressives brought in prohibition and food inspection, they also gave the vote to women and introduced referenda as a method of changing laws, and re-call elections.
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progresssivism in the article. A lot of the other content that Embram mentions is showing what progressives have used as justifications for their policies - it does not mean that those points are conveying truths; such is a valuable inclusion regardless of whether one believes in those justifications of not.--
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influenced progressivism as in a general philosophy or the contemporary political usage of the term progressivism, they are acceptable. Otherwise just listing various insignificant individuals and movements who associated in some manner with the word "progressive" in them is a total waste of space and time.
1895:. That was vandalism and I have reverted it. "One can argue" almost anything but this is not the place for original research, personal opinions or analysis. Neutrality is what we do. If you want to argue politics then please find a web forum where that sort of discussion is appropriate and do it there. --
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By what measure is it "gradual"; in relation to what? The article states it's left-wing, so is it gradual in comparison with a socialist revolution or social liberalism? And the term "reform" used in this context is a sweet nothing: reform is the rule of politics, what party in which country promises
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Twice in the past year, an editor mysteriously removed three names from the list of
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The "Idea of progress" (That technological advancement improves society) is completely unrelated to
Progressivism (The theory that 'progressive' (meaning Incremental) change through government intervention is the best way to change society.) - This is a complete malapropism. The history section needs
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The basis for this no longer appears to be in the article but what is there now, identifying
American Liberalism with "left conservatism" is pretty near the mark. "Liberal" in the universe of mainstream US political discourse equivocally refers to that and what from the in-universe view is considered
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Have been threatened? Are you in fear of your life? Do you fear detention without trial? Has anybody murdered any of your friends who have held similar opinions? Has anybody prevented you from taking your opinions to some blog or webforum where they are actually welcome and appropriate, as opposed to
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Since this article is more about how the term progressive has been applied then about any specific ideological group, that level of information would be out of place. The answer to your question would depend on whether "progressive" means the left of the
Democratic Party, the whole Democratic Party
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I think the entire section should go. Cameron btw has described himself as a progressive conservative. It is not actually an oxymoron, some conservatives see progress as necessary in order to maintain tradition. So same sex marriage for example is defended as preserving the family. But few would
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An ad hominem remark is an attack on a person. There was no person involved, so there was no ad hominem, no attack or criticism of or against any particular person. I was expressing a concern about what might happen (something to watch out for) in any hypothetical future page involving a politically
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That statement might be improved, however it's not in the general introduction, but only in the portion of the introduction that concerns political progressivism, which is certainly about using the power of government to solve societal problems. Furthermore, there is nothing remotely "neutral" about
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What on Earth are you talking about? The term "Progressive Era" was in use by the early 1900s, and became standard political shorthand by 1930 or so. And the
Progressives very explicitly identified themselves as a movement, even using the term to name their political parties (or factions of existing
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The opening sentence works and does not appear to have any neutrality issues. You can't read that opening phrase without taking into context the end of that same phrase, as well as the second sentence. This looks to me to properly provide the context for differentiating Progressivism from some other
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The opening sentence is not neutral because it would in reality cover every single idelogy that ever existed -- "political ideology advocating or favoring social, political, and economic reform or changes" -- as if there were ever an ideology that liked things exactly the way they were, or regarded
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July 22 - again reverted political-agenda removal of progressives Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Either the entire list goes away, or the entire list stays. Political ideologs removing people they don't want seen in this list is considered vandalism. They admit they are progressives, so they are
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July 21, 2011: yet another political ideolog has without explanation again singled out progressives Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for removal frfom this list. This is a political game being played on WP in an attempt to hide these two leading *self-admitted* progressives from being included in
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The section on Progressivism in Ireland shows the Progressive Democrats as being Progressive, eventhough they are not Progressive, just because their name says Progressive dosnt make it true, we could also make the same argument about the Progressive Conservatives of Canada, they are not Progressive
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FWIW, Red Tories tend to be Progressives from Ontario or the East, while Progressives come from a rather different set of traditions and tend to be from the Prairies. There are individual exceptions: this Prairie nationalist Orchard tends, ahistorcally, to be called a Red Tory. Margaret Thatcher's
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experts refer to themselves as libertarians but are really in many cases anarchists, reactionaries, fascists or just ignorant thugs, to give just four illustrative examples. Some of them are even libertarians, but this does not bode well for their objectivity nor their competence in working out the
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Understand this: 'Progressive' simply means to 'progress' to John Lennon's "Imagine" Utopia (imagine no nations) as glamorized in the Closing Ceremony of the London 2012 Olympics. Note this: When the ruinous welfare state became unpopular, Progressives started to call themselves 'Liberals'; and when
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The comparison section is confusing because the terms progressive, liberal, conservative and socialist are used ambiguously. However I cannot see how your use of the term progressive fits in with any of its uses in the article. Basically the article lists how the term has been used in reference to
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So Forbes published an opinion piece that you agreed with back in 2014, did they? Good for you. The trouble is that we can't reference factual claims to people's opinions. The difference is that Forbes is a magazine and Knowledge (XXG) is an encyclopaedia. They have their standards and we have ours.
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They didn't reform or dismantle any norms that already existed in *German* society. Those whom the Nazis targeted were either culturally distinct from Germans (Jews, Roma) or violated/challenged existing social norms (socialists, LGBT). You could certainly argue that the Nazis violated many ethical
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This movement was not a liberal vs. conservative thing in the U.S. (and in Europe). There were parts of that which laster formed the core of the modern liberal philosophy and parts that formed part of the modern conservative philosophy. But at the time these were all seen as part of one big push to
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A long anti-racist section, complete with loads of sources (#21-24) arguing against race as an adequate classification (yes, in an article on progressivism), yet sources with a complete lack of anything associating these views with progressivism, which as this article explains, means the desire for
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as being an appropriate state of affairs. Two wrongs don't make a right, if you believe the content in the article is biased towards progressivism that does not justify inserting a reverse-bias statement. What it does warrant is a thorough re-write of the article if others agree that is necessary.--
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last remark that was completely unnecessary. The contrast of the term "government imposition" versus "individual actions and choices" is very biased, it is a libertarian adage that says that progressives are authoritarian and contrasts that with a market economy with minimal government intervention
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The problem is that the article conflates four distinct historical political positions that called themselves progressive (1900-1914, 1924, 1948 and today.) The connections between the four are slight and any description of their common "ideology" (in fact progressivism has never been an ideology)
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You are just Google-mining for sources to support your views. H. Clinton and Obama were never members of the Progressive Caucus, and you would need sources that describe them that way. Waters of course is a progressive, notice that she is highly critical of Obama, but does not have the stature of
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Where did I ever say Clinton and Obama were part of the progressive caucus? I never stated that. I provided non-refutable citations by them IN THEIR OWN WORDS describing themselves as progressives. The first removal several months ago was done without explaination, and thus I reverted. The second
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3) Barack Obama at a 2008 town hall meeting near Atlanta during the Presidential campaign: "I am somebody who is no doubt progressive. I believe in a tax code that we need to make more fair. I believe in universal health care. I believe in making college affordable. I believe in paying our teachers
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progressivism will be written with a partisan point of view, argued over, and eventually controlled and maintained in an ideologically pure manner by a group of senior editors with a particular political viewpoint, perhaps similar to the way the pages concerning climate change have been controlled
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Changed the last sentence to describe Blue Dog Democrats not as conservative, but as moderates. Too often Knowledge (XXG) demonstrates a sort of Moral Relativism, where everything easily relates to everything else or all things meld into one. If a Blue Dog is a Democrat, by definition, they should
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hmmm what i mean is can a party be described as progressive if it is changing its own political perspective or is considered to be progressive by introducing new ideas. Or is progressiveness linked into the idea of social equity, individual freedom, social democracy, free markets. (Any of these
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A problematic argument. The original Progressives weren't focused (entirely) on social reform through government action. In fact, many of them were classical liberals who advocated direct social engagement at the grass roots level. Bottom line? Government was simply one avenue to social, economic,
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in a positive light (with some limited critical provisos thrown in by other editors), rather than a scholarly article. There are not only several different political "progressive" parties in the world, fighting for similar but not identical purposes, there are also different contexts in which the
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That's not true. In the US, conservatives don't want real reform. They want things to stay the same or to return to a previous state. They might want to reform corrupt institutions but that's not what we're talking about here. Besides what you're claiming makes no sense anyway. A neutral sentence
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Why are we listing members of Congress at all? The most famous progressives in U.S. history have come from various branches of government, including the presidency, state governors, senators, etc. By no stretch is Al Franken one of the most notable progressives in the U.S., for example. I suggest
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Reading through discussion points, it's clear the term "progressive" needs a better heuristic for readers. The section comparing progressivism to liberalism, conservativism, and socialism provides a poor typological structure for conveying meaning. Now, I would need to read more about the early
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norms (although even that is questionable given the atrocious precedent that the communists had set), but Hitler clearly explains that these unethical decisions were a means to end; it's highly doubtful that the Nazis viewed unethical norms as inherently and universally improving human societies.
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The term should be simply described as a term for several political ideologies that were described that way to sound nice in the first paragraph. No idea how to make this statement sophisticated tn, but the current definition is horrible, jumping from one meaning to the other without any form of
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The contrast in that statement of associating progressive stances as government imposition as opposed to leaving the economy alone to the free market and individual choices and actions, is a libertarian/laissez-faire outlook on progressive politics, which is fine to be included as a criticism of
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After researching TFD's long history of standing guard on his favorite political pages, ensuring that his thinly-veiled leftist ideology gets bullied through, this incident is starting to make more sense. To claim that Hillary Clinton and Obama are not progressives, when they both self-identify
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I removed this wording: "...although the PCs also contained a progressive wing for the rest of its history. Most of these people were opposed to the PCs merger with the more socially conservative Canadian Alliance in 2003." Progressives who joined or re-joined the Conservatives did not form a
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This heuristic comes from Stiles (2006) who did an analysis of current environmental education policies/philosophies in the United States. Stiles supports his framework with a number of sources, and it makes a lot more sense with cited sources above and in the main article. The heuristic is as
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you are ONLY targeting my additions. As I have said numerous times. only one other in the list is sourced, yet you do not remove them. Following links to Waters/Pelosi's WP pages discusses their involvement in the Progressive caucus. ***Further deletion of my valid additions WILL be treated as
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This article seems to conflate a lot of things into one article. Granted, all of these things did cross paths at some point but I tend to think that perhaps some of these different topics should be split into different articles with this one just providing a short unifying basis to explain how
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This would have nothing to do with the reforms the Nazis purportedly introduced. By the logic of your proposed lead sentence, the Nazis would still be labeled as progressive, so your proposal doesn't solve the underlying problem. The Nazis violently attempted to reform or dismantle social and
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Frankly, it isn't that complicated. Fundamentally, there isn't much more to progressivism than a belief that the abandonment of certain social norms in exchange for increased social liberty or equality can be beneficial for society. But this ─ unlike my proposed change ─ is indeed WP:OR, and
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The article does not, and should make clear, preferably near the start, that the term "Progressive" is solely an autonym that is not used or accepted by those unfavourable to the philosophy. The name is not a proper noun. It coopts a common noun with pre-existing positive, complimentary and
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It is improved. However the examples in specific countries material is a waste of space and time. To be inclusive we would have to have progressive parties from every country in the world listed, and that is unreasonable. Where examples of people and movements in countries have substantially
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TFD AGAIN reverted my additions, but did not remove other unsourced additions. This is my point. I have a document with notes of all of the relevant citations needed from actual transcripts, etc for inclusion in this WP section, but I am trying to prove a point. 1) TFD has a history of being
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There doesn't appear to be a linked definition to how progressivism is defined. See the "" below, there is no link for "progressivism": Progressivism is the support for or advocacy for improvement of society by reform. As a philosophy, it is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that
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Google mining people quoting in their exact words??? Obama says " I am no doubt a progressive", but TFD is saying that Obama was incorrect about describing himself? TFD, I am not sure what ideology or people you are trying to protect here, but your fixation on trying to protect these three
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This statement above is currently in the intro, it is very biased using word usage to denigrate the topic, claiming that progressives want government to "impose solutions", mocking progressives claim to using modern principles by an inappropriate sarcastic usage of quotation marks that are
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The recurrent insertion of material asserting that Progressivism is a form of insanity, especially in the head section, render the page unusable as a reference. I'm not familiar with the details of Wiki conventions, but such things often seem to find a home under a "controversy" section.
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This whole idea of a "Progressive Era" and some cohesive "Progressivism movement" is really new. Some references should be added to confirm when the label "progressive" began to be applied in this manner. Otherwise, Knowledge (XXG) is just making stuff up like other publications.
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As the article points out, the term was used to refer to four distinct movements. While each was created by members of the previous one, it was not one movement. It's only in the third version that racial equality became a key issue. Before that, there was a range of views on race.
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and political reform. The emphasis being - in all cases - on reform and a transformation of conservative (past) ways of doing things. Additionally, this discussion ignores the scientific and empirical roots that the original Progressive movement held. 12:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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dropping the list completely. We have a whole article on the topic where readers can get details of notable progressives from across the history of progressivism. None of the other national sections list current progressive politicians in the lower houses of their legislatures.
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which describe progressivism as attempting to dismantle cultural norms, and these sources indicate that this is the single most important aspect of progressivism so that it belongs in the first sentence, let's see them. From that, we can modify the body of the article to explain
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Look at how nuanced, lengthy and elaborate the article on "classical liberalism" is, for comparison. Modern progressivism is at least as sizeable a movement as "classical liberalism" ever was, and yet we have this lackluster and uninformatively dull article. Please fix.
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I find the broad use of "progressive" to be so broad and imprecise that it is unhelpful. Be that as it may, Woodrow Wilson is listed as an example of a progressive. Should his racist actions be mentioned? Cancel culturists may want him removed from this, but we are all
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The passage did not call them "conservative" but "more conservative Democrats". Changing that to "more moderate Democrats" is injecting bias and I will revert. Democrats btw are not by definition not conservatives, since they do not enforce ideological consistency.
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article is longer than the progressivism article. Why not expand the scope of the progressivism article so it is a more useful article. Progressives still exist just as liberals still exist. So naturally many people will want a more informative progressivism
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I removed new edits that were clearly against policy. The fact that there may be problems with this and other articles is no justification to add unsourced text. Clinton and Obama were never progressive's. Clinton's husband was in fact associated with the
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One interesting thing that this does not touch on very well: During the latter 19th and early 20th centuries the "Progressive movement" (at least a big part of it) was focused on the idea of a return to basic Christian values, advocating for
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The progressive standard 100 years ago cannot be the same as the current progressive standard. He would certainly be a far-right ultra-conservative in his current character, but he was progressive in many other social issues in his time.
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unnecessary as they are not quoting anything. And lastly it invokes a libertarian or laissez-faire POV saying that this is contrasted instead of "leaving the economy and society up to the free market and individual actions and choices".
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This statement is not neutral, is biased against the topic in the article, and other parts of the intro describe the nature of the topic already without such bias and lack of neutrality. I request that the statement be removed on these
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separate wing and were not "progressive" in a modern sense. Also I added "former" (and capitalized the reference) to "progressives" who supported the Progressive Conservative Party, because the Progressive Party had ceased to exist.
4052:. This describes a vast number of movements that are not at all Progressivism. The reforms must be those reforms supported by Progressivism to qualify, and to avoid circularity, they need to be specified more clearly than that.
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We cannot determine on our own who is progressive or thinly veiled leftist or whatever categories - we need reliable sources. If you do not like that then please get the policy changed rather than argue across numerous articles.
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Good point. I removed them. They and the Progressive Conservatives are already mentioned in the lead as parties use progressive in their names, although not belonging to that tradition. (The Irish party is actually liberal.)
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Why they allow a section called 'Authoritarian conservatism' relating it with nazi, while nazis really means National Socialism, nazi was in real progressives but Knowledge (XXG) deny a single sourced sentence telling the true.
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cultural norms in human society based on their selective application of who counted as human. For topics as complicated as these, readers will need to read past the very first sentence to get a clear understanding of the topic.
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Dr. Morbius, nice blinders you have there. Your crude definition of modern conservatism in the United States is laughable in how inaccurate it is. Thank you for confirming that this article has a POV that is not neutral.
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But currently the article lacks context as it does not adequately address the various right-wing factions who oppose progressives. It also doesn't address the issue of the left-wing politics suffering some setbacks as of
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for example was formed to fight high taxes and big government. It is progressive in the sense that it rejects (to them) old-fashioned, reactionary views that hold back progress. I do not see this article going beyond a
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progressivism in the most glowing terms possible, and it's interesting that the only potentially critical statement that talks about the government power aspect (which is well-documented) is attacked as "very biased." -
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Could you please avoid personal attacks and false statements about other editors in your talk page discussion and edit summaries. If Obama called himself a libertarian, would you add him to the liberarianism article?
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As far as the exact strength of the major segments of the right-wing political spectrum that would be speculating. Also, I would not want to project into the future given that politics has been more volatile in recent
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Incoming moderators, please note the name of the list involved: "Some of the more notable progressive members of Congress have included..." This means current and FORMER, which is a detail TFD is not grasping
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Making Christian values explicitly prominent. This led to Christian churches and Christian organizations gaining great power in the U.S., which had not been so much the case in the earlier days of the republic.
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I think you're misunderstanding what "authoritarianism" means. Advocacy of government intervention or regulation as part of the process of liberal democracy, for example, is not what authoritarianism means.
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The historical discussion is vague, lacks nuances and sources. The relevance to modern progressivism as most progressives themselves understand it is marginal. Experts or academics out there: Please fix.
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WIKIPEDIA - Y U NO have article on anti-progressivism? Many have openly opposed progressivist policies and even called themselves "anti-progressive" in history. For example, opponents of the New Deal. --
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progressive movement, but most of the cited sources above fit within a framework that views progressivism as an ORIENTATION to the foundational political philosophies of liberalism and communitarianism.
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disclaimer for the reader, making it a mangled mess only existing to support the current usage of the term. There should be more emphasis on the term history than it's meaning considering it's usage. --
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These were all things that were to varying degrees common during much of the Middle Ages and during the Protestant Reformation (e.g. we forget that the Catholic Church used to oppose money lending).
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Uh, progress on getting these political terms straight is not going to be easy until American rightists get over their anti-Obama hysteria, if then. Cladistics is not easy when many of the loudest
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different political groups: parties called "progressive", American politics in the Progressive, New Deal and Great Society era, and modern liberalism. The article itself needs to be re-written.
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the section implies that both sides of the political spectrum are progressive is this possible or is it a contradiction where neither is progressive and they are merely opposing points of veiw.
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I'm not sure where this Four Deuces guy is coming from, but I did see the front half of a horse wandering down the street a few minutes ago. Call me, Deuces, and I'll point out where it went.
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Eliminating consumption of drugs and alcohol (contrary to popular belief the first drug epidemic started in the 19th century, not the 20th century). This all culminated in the Prohibition Era.
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Okay, I guess we'll just leave a verifiably false lead, then (since e.g. the Nazis also introduced a lot of political reforms, yet I don't think anyone would argue that they are progressive).
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spamming them over an encyclopaedia? No. None of these things. All that has happened is that you have been told to stop disrupting Knowledge (XXG) by inserting your opinions.
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not be considered a conservative. You've got to draw a line in the sand somewhere. And typically, that is the deflection point.
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