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84: 74: 53: 22: 1231: 1028: 948: 1139: 1496: 1306: 332:. No one seems to have touched that page but me. I think it's a critical concept, given that it's the essential subject matter of descriptive set theory (one could almost say it should bear the same relation to the 140: 831: 531: 1748: 1714: 1672: 1598: 1564: 1530: 1442: 1408: 1374: 1340: 1062: 865: 772: 734: 697: 629: 462: 428: 1638: 1130: 1096: 663: 597:
eine σ-Algebra." (The German version of the pages uses the lightface symbols for both Borel hierarchy and projective hierarchy. ) If I understand it correctly, it says that families
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Well, you can make a case for that, but it does make maintenance and improvement more difficult. (By the way the "analytical hierarchy/analytic set" juxtaposition is wrong.) --
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There is a little duplication of content, but I think it is helpful to a naive reader to start with the non-hierarchy definition and later learn about the stratification.
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and if one blurs one's eyes, they cannot be told apart. Perhaps some clarifying distinction should be drawn. Well, I mean, the Borel hierarchy starts with
1226:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Delta } _{1}^{1}\subset \sigma (\mathbf {\Sigma } _{1}^{1})\subset \mathbf {\Delta } _{2}^{1}\subset \cdots \subset \mathbf {P} } 344:). I think I did a decent start-class job on the article, but I wonder whether people are actually using the material, given that no one has edited it. -- 1799: 130: 1794: 1447: 1251: 106: 1755: 1233:. Perhaps in fact each inclusion is strict in eveyy uncountable Polish space? (We know that this is true for the first inclusion as stated 465: 1234: 97: 58: 166:, but that doesn't make any sense as "analytical" is a lightface notion, whereas "projective" is boldface. This page and 33: 1716:
set" is something outside the hierarchy: we have to show that every analytic set is the projection of a Borel set, and
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page is still unwritten. Not being a descriptive set theorist, I tend mentally identify the corresponding hierarchies.
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may have addressed the second, although I don't know if it would work for eveyy uncountable Polish space.)
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is closed under countable intersection seems to be nontrivial for me. A proof would be well appreciated.
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sind abgeschlossen bezüglich abzählbarer Durchschnitte und abzählbarer Vereinigungen, insbesondere ist
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There's no sense in having both articles, and the "hierarchy" title better reflects the content. --
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set; while the latter implication is trivially true, I have no idea about the former even with
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sets are precisely those sets such that themselves as well as their projections are all
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I think it is nice to have a separation between X hierarchy and X set. For example:
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For example, an important fact from the German version: "Alle Klassen
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is closed under countable union" would be trivial, but to prove that
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and the analytic hierarchy does not show up till much later, as
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is closed under countable union and intersection from the page
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We seem to have almost the same content on the page for the
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Another example: the diagram in the German page says that
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are all closed under countable union and intersection, so
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More information need to be mentioned in the article
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page that treats that material, with redirects from
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I wasn't thinking. 170:are candidates for a future merge into the 19: 1743:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Delta } _{1}^{1}} 1709:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Delta } _{1}^{1}} 1667:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Delta } _{n}^{1}} 1593:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{n}^{1}} 1559:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{n}^{1}} 1525:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{n}^{1}} 1437:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Delta } _{n}^{1}} 1403:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Delta } _{n}^{1}} 1369:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Delta } _{n}^{1}} 1335:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{n}^{1}} 1057:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{n}^{1}} 860:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{n}^{1}} 767:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{n}^{1}} 729:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{1}^{1}} 692:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Delta } _{n}^{1}} 624:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{n}^{1}} 457:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{1}^{1}} 423:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Sigma } _{1}^{0}} 47: 1734: 1729: 1724: 1721: 1700: 1695: 1690: 1687: 1658: 1653: 1648: 1645: 1633:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Pi } _{n-1}^{1}} 1624: 1613: 1608: 1605: 1584: 1579: 1574: 1571: 1550: 1545: 1540: 1537: 1516: 1511: 1506: 1503: 1482: 1477: 1472: 1462: 1457: 1452: 1449: 1428: 1423: 1418: 1415: 1394: 1389: 1384: 1381: 1360: 1355: 1350: 1347: 1326: 1321: 1316: 1313: 1292: 1281: 1276: 1266: 1261: 1256: 1253: 1218: 1203: 1198: 1193: 1180: 1175: 1170: 1154: 1149: 1144: 1141: 1116: 1111: 1106: 1103: 1082: 1077: 1072: 1069: 1048: 1043: 1038: 1035: 1014: 1003: 998: 988: 983: 978: 968: 963: 958: 955: 934: 923: 918: 908: 903: 898: 888: 883: 878: 875: 851: 846: 841: 838: 817: 806: 801: 798: 779: 758: 753: 748: 745: 720: 715: 710: 707: 683: 678: 673: 670: 649: 644: 639: 636: 615: 610: 605: 602: 581: 576: 570: 549: 544: 538: 517: 512: 499: 494: 488: 448: 443: 438: 435: 414: 409: 404: 401: 1768: 1125:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Pi } _{n}^{1}} 1091:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Pi } _{n}^{1}} 774:is closed under countable intersection 658:{\displaystyle \mathbf {\Pi } _{n}^{1}} 49: 1342:sets are precisely the projections of 7: 95:This article is within the scope of 38:It is of interest to the following 573: 541: 509: 491: 14: 1800:Mid-priority mathematics articles 174:page, when I get that written. -- 115:Knowledge:WikiProject Mathematics 1795:Start-Class mathematics articles 1725: 1691: 1649: 1609: 1575: 1541: 1507: 1473: 1453: 1419: 1385: 1351: 1317: 1277: 1257: 1219: 1194: 1171: 1145: 1107: 1073: 1039: 999: 979: 959: 919: 899: 879: 842: 802: 749: 711: 674: 640: 606: 439: 405: 118:Template:WikiProject Mathematics 82: 72: 51: 20: 1750:sets are precisely Borel sets ( 590:{\displaystyle \Delta _{n}^{1}} 558:{\displaystyle \Delta _{n}^{1}} 355:And thanks for reverting me at 135:This article has been rated as 1186: 1166: 781: 162:This used to be a redirect to 1: 1764:06:07, 12 February 2024 (UTC) 474:20:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC) 109:and see a list of open tasks. 787:{\displaystyle \Rightarrow } 1248:What's more, the inclusion 1816: 374:18:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC) 308:17:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC) 281:16:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC) 272:14:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC) 216:14:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC) 200:06:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC) 1640:set, and the latter is a 1498:, and the projections of 1239:some choice may be needed 950:, which is equivalent to 349:07:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC) 330:boldface (disambiguation) 134: 67: 46: 1030:. 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analytical hierarchy
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