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Even with the footnote, I still disagree with the expression "exponentially faster". I think it also is not neutral due to how ambiguous it is. By ambiguous, I mean that from a reader's perspective, I would have thought you are claiming that there is an exponential speedup for ALL problems. For some
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be re-articulated, and special expressions or special use tof, need to be clarified. - The whole point of encyclopedic articles is to explain the topic to non-experts; in other words that one don't have to already be an expert who knows all the inside esoteric phrases, to be able to read the article.
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Well in that case perhaps that needs to be clarified, because the way it is presently articulated is confusing and misleading (as one is prone to think that "exponential" is used in the popular, 'urban' sense mentioned before), so I would say that at the very least those parts of the article need to
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So I suggest this, or a similarly clear and to-the-point wording, to replace the footnote, althought I will abstain from making that edit myself, from fear of offening some if I did. So I'll leave that up to you guys. But that is how I would suggest the footnote be worded, in stead of what it is at
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On rereading the footnote I agree that it was unnecessary lengthy and detailed (an attempt to support that there's indeed an exponential speedup, and to be as precise as possible what speedup is claimed - I don't accept the qualification as "gibberish", though, especially since all technical terms
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Apart from being simpler and much more digestible, this formulation also shows directly where it is the link to exponential growth enters the picture. - Of course it doesn't give you the opportunity to flex the muscle of how much you know about it, but on the upside it's easy and straight foreward
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Its a pity that language has been so contaminated that we can no longer use well-defined terminology, but it's unfortunately true that "exponential" is often used in an almost meaningless way nowadays. I've added a footnote to the first use of "exponentially faster", to indicate that (and in which
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Keep in mind that IT'S A FOOTNOTE, the whole, and sole, point of which was to avoid confusion with the popular catchphrase. - It doesn't have to go in depth with complexity theory, or account for implications (all that is better done the article itself rather than in the footnote). - It's ONLY
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I reverted the change, because the use of "exponential" there was not "wrongful" or equivalent to "a lot". The whole point of the best know quantum algorithms is that they provide an exponential speedup over the bets known (and, as conjectured, the best possible) classical algorithms. Here
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I have corrected the wrongful use of the word "exponentially" in a couple of places where it was simply meant as an equivalent to "a lot". I am aware of this trend where "exponentially" has become a buzzword. But.. The word "exponential" is a well defined mathematical term (see article
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for your recent additions to the article! I agree that we should make these limitations more prominent, but I think that we should avoid a dedicated top-level criticism section. I have just added an introductory paragraph to
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