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This all is superfluous as a column vector is a nx1 matrix, and not an input vector for matrix transformations. The product of the mxn matrix A and the coliumn vector v is just Av and results in a mx1 column vector. The product of the 1xn row vector v and the nxm matrix A and is just vA a 1xm row
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matrix is "a column of entries". If you want to think of that as a definition of the phrase "a column of entries" instead of as a triviality of naming, I guess you are welcome to do so, but Knowledge articles should be written to reflect sources, not idiosyncratic whims of a single editor. Of
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based on left-to-right reading. An editor mentioned that the use of column vectors as input for matrix transformation may appeal to readers of a right-to-left writing system. Since composed matrix transformations should concur with matrix multiplication, the article argues that row vectors are
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by including only carefully chosen references that go against the much more common practice in linear algebra books and elsewhere of having matrices act as functions on the left on column vectors. Of course the right action on row vectors has the advantage that to act by
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Are we sure that this (IMO questionable) alternative notation is conventionally used in some context? What context? Please give references. The history page shows that the text about alternative notation was inserted by an anonymous newbie
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The article says: a column vector is a column of entries. Actually, I don't know what a column of entries is. As far as I know, in linear algebra, there is no concept of a column as such. Thr only occurrence is a column in a
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Ah I see, thanks. Yes I still stand by the reasoning of my edit and the several other editors who have expressed similar opinions in the talk pages mentioned in my edit summary. There was consensus to remove the (largely
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since the Cartesian basis is assumed. The transpose does not correspond to anything geometrically significant (although some people use the column for a vector, and the transpose for the corresponding
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matrix then why not say so. Several edits ago, this was done, but for some reason this formulation has been removed. And by the way, there are plenty sources that define a column vector as a
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I notice in beginning of the "Notation" section, that the transposed notation and its alternative are exactly the same. Someone who knows the correct notations should edit it.
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it says: "Matrices with a single row are called row vectors, and those with a single column are called column vectors." and this should be written also in this article.
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See also the discussion above. The concept 'column' doesn't exist in linear algebra, so a definition can't be given with this term. Furthermore: the article
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preferred. Any effort to provide for a right-to-left matrix and vector process would require modification of the fundamental row x column convention. —
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They have no literal geometric meaning, they are just arrays of numbers. Still, in geometry they are used as a way to arrange the components of a
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elements. Without proper justification this was changed into the present formulation. Can someone explain to me what a "column of entries" is?
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I tried too much to find the geometry of determinate adjoint inverse row and column vector but still I'm hopeless please explain it
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matrix, but there are also sources which hink that just writing entries top down in a column, produces a column vector.
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Deleted. If you want to reinsert, please add a reliable reference or specify the context in which the notation is used.
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says: "Matrices with a single row are called row vectors, and those with a single column are called column vectors."
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on topic questions like the one you ask. Talk pages are for questions/answers/discussions on improving the article.
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The discussion here is about some changes to the lead, but they were part of some much broader changes -- see
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on September 2015. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see
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Also, that claim had no reference and seems like it would be very difficult to source reliably. --
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for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.
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rewrote the lead sentences and it now (again) includes the interpretation you prefer.
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course I would be open to discussion of individual changes, but broadly I agree with
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Row and column vectors#Preferred input vectors for matrix transformations
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This discussion appears to be about the lead, but I don't think
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I am having trouble telling if this comment is serious. An
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In my opinion a column vector is formally a 956:{\displaystyle (a_{1k},a_{2k},\ldots ,a_{nk})} 456:geometrical meaning of row and column vectors 8: 571:could be abbreviated by just specifying the 225:; for the discussion at that location, see 19: 1287:Till 19 February 2021 the intro reads: In 160: 47: 1252: 1226: 1181: 1142: 1132: 1110: 1100: 1084: 1074: 1062: 1035: 1016: 1003: 994: 968: 941: 919: 903: 894: 868: 842: 638: 631: 596: 594: 549: 544: 531: 526: 513: 508: 496: 494: 394: 375: 362: 350: 340: 339: 334: 317: 300: 288: 276: 268: 266: 1207:'s edit and explanation from last year. 311: 306: 294: 167:Text and/or other creative content from 49: 7: 989:matrix, or a n-tuple of n 1-tuples: 95:This article is within the scope of 38:It is of interest to the following 1349:Preferred input vectors for matrix 341: 14: 1508:Mid-priority mathematics articles 115:Knowledge:WikiProject Mathematics 1503:Start-Class mathematics articles 545: 527: 509: 497: 335: 269: 198: 118:Template:WikiProject Mathematics 82: 72: 51: 20: 135:This article has been rated as 1148: 1139: 1125: 1107: 1093: 1081: 1067: 1064: 1044: 996: 950: 896: 1: 1406:22:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC) 1378:22:27, 30 November 2022 (UTC) 1283:20:50, 30 November 2022 (UTC) 1217:17:42, 30 November 2022 (UTC) 1171:14:02, 29 November 2022 (UTC) 810:23:54, 18 February 2021 (UTC) 636: 629: 331: 109:and see a list of open tasks. 1486:13:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC) 1472:18:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC) 1453:09:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC) 1427:06:01, 1 December 2022 (UTC) 1339:10:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC) 1321:18:27, 3 December 2022 (UTC) 1221:If a column of entries is a 826:18:11, 3 December 2022 (UTC) 583:), or as a row/column vector 1524: 769:23:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC) 754:23:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC) 726:16:23, 15 April 2016 (UTC) 470:14:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC) 1266:{\displaystyle n\times 1} 1240:{\displaystyle n\times 1} 1195:{\displaystyle n\times 1} 982:{\displaystyle n\times 1} 882:{\displaystyle n\times 1} 863:matrix, being one of the 856:{\displaystyle n\times n} 573:coordinates of the vector 451:15:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC) 173:was copied or moved into 134: 67: 46: 437:14:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC) 251:10:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC) 141:project's priority scale 1363:my edits from last year 98:WikiProject Mathematics 1476:Why this hostile tone? 1267: 1241: 1196: 1155: 1051: 983: 957: 883: 857: 671: 559: 483:in the Cartesian basis 412: 217:Row and column vectors 28:This article is rated 1268: 1242: 1197: 1156: 1052: 984: 958: 884: 858: 737:Matrix multiplication 672: 560: 413: 205:The contents of the 1441:matrix (mathematics) 1327:matrix (mathematics) 1251: 1225: 1180: 1061: 993: 967: 893: 867: 841: 732:Right-to-left script 593: 493: 265: 181:. 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