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are not involved in any commercial activity of any kind and therefore have no commercial activity to promote. The link is purely for verification purposes. No one is forced to use it or read any of the information in the article. Even though now gutted of a considerable amount of content, some of which I intend to put forward again here in a briefer form with acceptable links, the article still provides important evidence of the impact a low cost gripe site can have on a major company. The activity is entirely lawful and has been praised by independent parties such as the One World Trust, a charitable organisation linked to the UN and the Houses of
Parliament. That was some of the information removed by you. I have no idea why you are so intent in censoring the content as you have done, also removing content which had verification links which fully meet Knowledge (XXG) standards e.g. the information about Shell employee safety issues.
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Because of my direct involvement in the website which is the subject of this article, I will give 4 weeks notice here of my proposed changes to the content either to correct existing content or update the article with new information. I will make the changes after the 4 week notice period if no other
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Eustress, the current information is inaccurate. The Star Trek information proves that this is this case. Why do you want to have inaccurate information in an online encyclopaedia? Neither is it self-promoting. That allegation is entirely without foundation. Both my father and I are long retired. We
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Eustress, I have checked out the "request for comment" page. Use of the facility seems inappropriate and a waste of time when the only text dispute is between two people over eight words. Please end the relevant sentence as you suggest with "and early 1990s". I would then put a verification link on
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I draw attention to the fact that my father Alfred
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Doh, I got the wrong end of the stick, sorry. Yes there's clearly some info in there which can be remove whether or not proposed AfD. I'm going to propose deletion anyway - I'm not seeing enough notability despite a few news references. I'll not be suprised if I'm wrong - but I think the process
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I propose to amend the following sentences from the second paragraph of "Website background" which currently state: A second writ was issued concerning a
Nintendo promotion that ran in 1993.. Shell settled both claims in October 1996. A third law suit was processed in 1999; however, the claimant
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If the stubbing includes removal of a lot of info I'd be against it. I would be interested in a proposed deletion as is, I think the validity of this page needs deciding (I can't form an opinion). It may well be that the page is kept, I think it would be a good idea to find out what the general
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The various mentions of the site in news organisations appear to confirm notability. However given the promotional activities of User:Johnadonovan I'm finding it difficult to form an objective view, and am tending to suspect that it's notability has been somewhat overblown by a single highly
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I propose some minor changes to the current article. I would like to amend the last sentence of the opening paragraph by adding the word "outlet" so that it says: The site has been oft quoted in news sources and is known for its activities as an internet leak outlet and a forum for Shell
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Yes, given the effort that has been put into this article to make it conform to wiki standards I'm finding it difficult to separate notable from non-notability. Do you intend to nominate for deletion - if so wouldn't it be better to leave the content in at the time of deletion
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Oleg Mitvol, the so-called "Kremlin attack dog", confirmed that he received insider evidence about the
Sakhalin-II project from John Donovan of the website royaldutchshellplc.com. The Russian energy company Gazprom subsequently obtained a 50% stake in the Sakhalin-II project.
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I propose to correct the grammar in this sentence by deleting the word "are": It avoids being an illegal cybersquatter as long as it is non-commercial, active, and no attempt are made to sell the domain name, as determined by WIPO proceedings.
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Sakhalin-II contains incorrect information. I supplied the information to the Russian government, not Shell. I have not got a clue about the reference to an article published on October 18, 2006.:
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