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802:(to which it already redirects) and is not an equivalent of this term. As suggested in the RM immediately above, this page could be moved to "Russian citizens" or the like, but unfortunately no consensus was reached. I would support moving this page to "Russian citizens" or any of its equivalents as suggested in the previous RM, but definitely not to "Russian people"...—
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article a suitable upmerge target. Not all
Russian citizens are Russians, nor all Russians are Russian citizens. See also my other comments above. There are many ways to deal with this situation (some suggested in the previous RM on this very page), but merging this content with "Russians" is one of
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is not
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This article is unnecessary, this term appeared only about 20 years ago, and calling russian people of
Imperial and Soviet periods is not correct. It is also useless, because there are separate articles about Russian Jews, Tatars, and other non-russian citizens of Russia. This article must be
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The way I see it, the article could very well be about
Russian citizens (citizenship?), in which case a discussion of the term can easily be incorporated into a separate paragraph to which the term itself can redirect. Having an article primarily about the term and then stuffing
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Actually, I don't know what the article is about, and nobody seems to, as it wanders in all directions. It does have some quite limited discussion about the term, and then goes on to discuss the issues of citizenship and demographics. I'd rather see this mess merged to
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English is minimal. It's not even a "term", frankly, but merely a transliteration of a Russian word.—
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