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124:"A pioneering figure in establishing rational choice theory in sociology was George Homans (1961), who set out a basic framework of exchange theory, which he grounded in assumptions drawn from behaviourist psychology. While these psychological assumptions have been rejected by many later writers, Homans's formulation of exchange theory remains the basis of all subsequent discussion. During the 1960s and 1970s, Blau (1964), Coleman (1973), and Cook (1977) extended and enlarged his framework, and they helped to develop more formal, mathematical models of rational action (see also Coleman 1990). Rational choice theorists have become increasingly mathematical in orientation, converging more closely with trends in micro-economics. Indeed, some economists have attempted to colonise areas occupied by other social scientists. This trend towards formal, mathematical models of rational action was apparent in such diverse areas as theories of voting and coalition formation in political science (Downs 1957; Buchanan and Tullock 1962; Riker 1962) and explanations of ethnic minority relations (Hechter 1987) and, in a less rigorously mathematical form, social mobility and class reproduction (Goldthorpe 1996, Breen and Rottman 1995). Economists such as Becker (1976, 1981) set out theories of crime and marriage. A particularly striking trend of recent years has been the work of those Marxists who have seen rational choice theory as the basis of a Marxist theory of class and exploitation (Elster 1983, 1986; Roemer 1988. See also Wright 1985; 1989)." -- 517:
shortcomings of rational choice theory, as amply shown by behavior economics, proponents of the theory have embarked on a different approach. For these proponents, rational choice theory, to start with, is not a descriptive theory of behavior. As such, the criticisms highlighted by behavioral economics are ultimately misguided, even though highly informative. For these proponents, rational choice theory is rather prescriptive: how should humans behave if rationality matters. For instance, Elias Khalil studies the phenomenon of self-deception. Self-deception, for Khalil, is clearly irrational: why would agents lie to themselves? The main and obvious reason is that agents want to save face, i.e., they care so much about being rational. For such agents, to be caught by the self that they deviate from rationality is so intolerable that these agents construct laborious fibs and other made-up excuses to deceive themselves. If rationality is not a primary concern in human life, there would be no self-deception.
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speaking this is not necessary. In a way this is asking like what is the relation between Calculus and Rational Choice Theory. More generally speaking if the decision facing an agent is independent of other's choices (i.e. non-strategic) then one would use the tools of straight forward constrained optimzation, if there are strategic considerations, one would use the tools of Game Theory. In either case it is possible to assume that RTC holds or that it doesn't, although by far most models assume that it does.
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neighbors, one’s country, and so on. To wit, in his Nobel lecture, Gary Becker took pride in economic approach to understanding behavior by the fact that, unlike Marxian economics, the objective function (preferences) do not only consist of self-interest. For Becker , the objective function can include other-regarding interests (altruism, patriotism) and even non-pecuniary tastes such as envy and self-respect.
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utility, or amount to be gained from the act. The person that chooses not to commit the crime does so based on a different set of criteria. To a starving person, the consequences of stealing bread are reasonable, yet a wealthy individual would find this act irrational. It is often mistaken to inerpret the word "rational" as meaning "logical" or "common sense". The
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After the end, after the last sentence: “Despite the empirical shortcomings of rational choice theory, the flexibility and tractability of rational choice models (and the lack of equally powerful alternatives) lead to them still being widely used,” I suggest adding the following: Given the empirical
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It's better to first mention the approach's "benefits" and then the "criticisms." And the section on "Applications" (now at the top of the page) fits better with the section on empirical applications in politics and other fields at the bottom of the page. So I will make these changes now. If anyone
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The prescriptive basis of rational choice theory is not view. The early founders of expected utility theory such as Leonard Savage already supposed that humans actually do not behave rationally in every instant. For them, the whole project of showing actual deviations from rationality should not
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Hello, at present, the section on "Criticism" is quite long and includes many different kinds of critiques (methodological, empirical, philosophical, etc.). To provide readers with a better overview, I would suggest inserting sub-headings that reflect the gist of the respective criticisms. What do
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Likewise, Khalil argues, if rationality is not a primary concern, we could not make sense of temptations and why humans erect various institutions, such as precommitments, to alleviate the succumbing of temptations. To wit, if rationality is not a central force in human decision making, we could
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I suggest adding the following: To be more precise, the promoters of the Homo economicus view are careful not confuse rationality with self-interest. One’s preferences usually include the utility of friends, neighbors, one’s country, and so on, insofar as one cares about the wellbeing of friends,
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I'm pretty sure that rationality does not mean that our wants are insatiable. I believe that that is a seperate assumption in the traditional economic paradigm. In fact, if I recall correctly, it is not strictly necessary; it's just that if a good can be maximised at a certain quantity, then you
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This is a difficult subject and the one thing that comes out clearly is that the article has not been written by those who have a good knowledge of the subject. Even though there are references, if one goes to the actual references, they don't support what is being said. example: citation 4 from
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This is true. Rationality just assumes that preferences are complete, transitive, and have independence of irrelevant alternatives (if a waiter says they have chocolate and vanilla ice cream and I prefer chocolate, then if he comes back and says they also have strawberry, I won't suddenly prefer
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Hi there, I have discussed the idea of introducing these subheadings with a colleague. He felt that subheading 4 ("Ideological critiques") may not be appropriate for Foley's work. It could be seen as sounding disrespectful. He suggested to include Foley's book under subheading 2 ("Philosophical
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Game Theory is essentially a methodology, an approach, a set of techniques. Rational Choice Theory is a statement about how human beings make decisions and behave. Most Game Theoretic models assume Rationality on part of the players (i.e. consistency and desire to maximize payoffs) but strictly
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I cannot tell you when Rational Choice Theory was first used in other social sciences. The other social sciences referred to could include criminology. Rational Choice Theory has been used to explain why a person would commit a crime, when another would not. The criminal would act based on the
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Under the section “Definition and Scope”, after the 3rd paragraph which ends with the sentence: “To use an example from Milton Friedman, if a theory that says that the behavior of the leaves of a tree is explained by their rationality passes the empirical test, it is seen as successful.”
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Its ultimate source is Aristotle and Aquinas, who broke down human action as a process into stages. But as far as I can tell the entire influence of Aristotle on the theory of human action has been erased from wikipedia. In particular, here there is no mention of aristotle, the page
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In the Introduction, I suggest rewriting this sentence (in 3rd paragraph): "A particular version of rationality is instrumental rationality, which involves seeking the most cost-effective means to achieve a specific goal without reflecting on the worthiness of that goal."
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Please rewrite as: "In economics, as well as in those disciplines, rationality is understood as "instrumental rationality, " i.e., which involves seeking the most cost-effective means to achieve a specific goal without reflecting on the worthiness of that goal."
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I formalized a lot of the material and added some simple formal math of rational choice theory. I made new sections in the article and tagged some facts as unreferenced. I hope to remove the cleanup tag - does anyone
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for "choice theory. Virtually nothing about its context or history here, it is presented as if recent economic debates were eternal. Can somebody who knows about this actually write a bit of a history of this topic?
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I don't get it. In at least one version, game theory is a special case of rational choice theory (that is, rational choices in strategic situations). I think this sentence is misleading at best and false at worst.
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not make much sense of the multi-billion dollar industry of self-help books, not to mention memberships in rigid clubs and communities that help the person to sustain precommitments to stave off temptations.
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Hi there, I have now had a chance to take a closer look at this section, and I would suggest inserting the following sub-headings to better structure the section on "Criticism":
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The intro section is too long - needs headings or dispersal elsewhere in the article. See Also is too long too. Also the relation between choice theory and the closely-related
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Could whoever posted the cleanup message suggest how this article can be cleaned up? It seems to me that parts of the article should be rewritten in a more concise way.-
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Hello, a quick update: I have discussed the issue of the sub-headings with a couple of colleagues, who agreed that the suggested new order would be more intuitive.
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Presumably it is not just an eternal set of concepts, but emerged from a particular set of sources and circumstances, spread, etc. The term began to appear
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Khalil, Elias L. “Temptations as Impulsivity: How far are Regret and the Allais Paradox from Shoplifting?” Economic Modelling, 2015, 51, pp. 551–559.
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This whole theory presupposes the death of a higher power in the individuals life. Therefore it is invalid as it does not account for irrationality.
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Rational Choice Theory is the atmospheric ether of the 21st century social sciences.... It is amazing that it carries an encyclopedic article....
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I've shortened the first paragraph of the lead to make it more concise. I rephrased the second & third sentences and deleted the last one.
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Khalil, Elias L. “Self-Deception as a Weightless Mask.” Facta Universitatis, Series: Philosophy, Sociology, Psychology, and History, 2016.
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Becker, Gary S. "Nobel Lecture: The Economic Way of Looking at Behavior." Journal of Political Economy, June 1993, 101:3, pp. 385-409.
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We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.
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and subsequent pages are probably what the lead should say... a normative theory, at the heart of microeconomics (today) etc.
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I suggest referencing George Ainslie, picoeconomics, and hyperbolic devaluation curves (as opposed to exponential ones). See
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We believe Dr. Khalil has expertise on the topic of this article, since he has published relevant scholarly research:
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2) Philosophical critiques (Hollis and Nell’s 1975 book; Nell and Errouaki’s 2011 book chapter; Foley’s 2003 book)
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________. "Altruism in the Family and Selfishness in the Market Place." Economica, February 1981, 48, pp. 1-15.
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critiques") instead. If I don't hear any complaints from you, I will go ahead making these changes. All best,
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Becker, Gary S. “A Theory of Social Interactions.” Journal of Political Economy, 1974, 82, pp. 1063-1093.
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vanilla.) Non-satiation and convexity are added to make the optimization problems have nice solutions.
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I've reduced the size of the lead and moved the more detailed information into an overview section. --
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2) Philosophical critiques (Hollis and Nell’s 1975 book; Nell and Errouaki’s 2011 book chapter)
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states that this model is obsolete. Based on this article, I'm guessing that is incorrect. --
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I have included a new section on its application to also assist in shortening the lead.
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I didn't post, and don't know the area well, but think it could use a critiques section.
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Over the last decades it has also become increasingly employed in other social sciences.
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Hello, I have now made the suggested changes and introduced the following subheadings:
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7) Critiques on the basis of evolutionary psychology (Rubin and Capra’s 2011 article)
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Savage, Leonard J. The Foundations of Statistics, New York: John Wiley and Sons, 1954.
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6) Critiques on the basis of evolutionary psychology (Rubin and Capra’s 2011 article)
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In what other social sciences has rational choice theory been employed? In what way? -
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Could someone explain the relation between Game Theory and Rational Choice Theory -
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don't really need a model to tell you that. Um the Muse (is too lazy to sign in)
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Could someone who is familiar with this topic elaborate on the following line:
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Thanks--I remember that bugging me, and should have gotten rid of it earlier.
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8) The difference between public and private spheres (Gintis’ argument)
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7) The difference between public and private spheres (Gintis’ argument)
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Hi there! At present, the sub-headings are ordered as follows:
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undermine the primacy and importance of rational choice theory.
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is unhappy about this, please don't hesitate to respond here.
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4) Methodological critiques (Schram and Caterino’s 2006 book)
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5) Methodological critiques (Schram and Caterino’s 2006 book)
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What do you think about the following alternative ordering:
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If you have any misgivings about this, please get in touch.
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3) Empirical critiques (Green and Shapiro’s 1994 book)
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3) Empirical critiques (Green and Shapiro’s 1994 book)
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http://sourcesofinsight.com/how-experts-make-decisions/
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There are several criticisms by those who emphasize on
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Introducing sub-headings in the section on "Criticism"
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1) The limits of rationality (bounded rationality);
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Talk:Rational choice theory
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Superseded scientific theories
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02:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
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15:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Palthrow
20:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Sometimesthinking
15:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
radek
01:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Stevenmitchell
03:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Picoeconomics
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20:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
game theory
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