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Oh I see. The use of the term "restore" was confusing since it was actually a deletion. BTW, regarding terminology, the editor to whom you refer was apparently blocked for 24 hours, not "banned" (bans are permanent). Now that we have that cleared up, do you have any evidence that the site to which
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Still not clear what the issue was with the banned editor and it doesn't seem relevant. I deleted the SPS because it was unnecessary (i.e., there is already a third-party reference to support that he wrote 44 works). Aside from that, I removed the table. I don't see that anything was "restored".
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In 2019, after being appointed as the HRD Minister, Pokhriyal issued a directive saying that all the files and note sheets forwarded to him must be in Hindi. This created controversy with ministry officials, as not all of them had the level of proficiency in Hindi needed to prepare notes in that
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