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reporter is the source for a statement that Malek was the first non-white to win the Emmy for Best Actor in many years (the number isn't relevant.) This caught my interest as I hadn't seen other sources that referred to him as non-white on the Emmy win, nor did sources say that in relation to his big
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I appreciate you reaching out to me. I've seen both practices done, and actually had a bio article rejected for GA approval for (among other reasons) not having a reception section. However, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, but as you already eloquently said, the information should
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Thanks for the sources, Oncamera, and my apologies. Given the discussion, I will add two sources as additional cites to the statement for other readers. The BBC refers to Malek as an "ethnic minority", and notes the diversity in 2016 Emmys by awards also to
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What's the harm with putting what he's best known for first? It's what sites like Google source when people google his name, which you can see if you do so. It only shows a small amount of text and it should be about the highlights of his career, not the fact he's born to
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I think "I believe" has little to do with the situation. We do not "believe" here, we are guided by what the sources say and are they biased? Rami Malek in NONE of them says himself that he is "not white", it is simply predicted by these media as: "not a
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script, as such thing does not exist, especially that this is a name and not a block of text that could contain Egyptian-specific slang. Thus, I suggest we keep the IPA linking to Egyptian Arabic, as Qizilqurt suggested earlier, but restore the link to Arabic for the script of the name.
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The portion in Personal Life where it mentions him falling in love with London and wanting to buy a house there, the link is dead and it was never from a verified interview, only from a hearsay sight. Need to remove it.
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