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during the 1970's. Though Steve has had the privelage to play and associate with these talented artists, please believe this should not be mistaken for receiving any false credit. Whom Steve knew and he cherished honors and those who perished always will be dear to certainly his heart. Call Steve a fake, call him a fraud, or how about guilty by association, but the plain truth is Steve was there.
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This is an especially obvious case, due to the fact that the band members adopted the names and identities of "Ramones". Due to this they were frequently referred to as "a Ramone", "former Ramone", etc. The band name is a plural, not a singular collective noun. So, it is correct to write "The
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Where a plural noun refers to a single entity comprised of several unique entities, either is acceptable. But when it vreates a grammatical contradiction, common sense should be applied. "Minor Threat were a band" and "Minor Threat was a band" are both grammatically correct. Technically, "The
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Band names are collective proper noun. "The
Ramones was" is correct. All the members make up one band. The Ramones is a single entity (they are one band). Since the noun as a collective is singular, the proper verbs to use are "is" and "was," not "are" and "were." For example, "The United States is a
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Steve
Brickman was an original figure in the New York Underground Rock and Roll music scene. Never has he been considered a primary drummer for the Ramones but has been credited to perform with them as many other drummers have during the shaping and formation of the Ramones in the late '70's. This is
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Or, alternately, the "First Albums" section should be expanded to highlight how highly acclaimed their '70s output is, rather than simply talking about other punk bands and how Tommy cooked potatoes. Talk of the lackluster albums should be tempered by their never-ending tour schedule and inability to
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the ramones are so often considered the first simply because they were probably the purest punk there was, and no one would dispute it, while the stooges (who came before the term 'punk rock') were more diverse and glammy. anyone who could write a song like 'we will fall' really isn't punk. they are
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this article describes eotc as one of the 'not so great' albums, which doesn't necesarily alude to the metallic crap that they had churned out consistently afterwards. say what you will about 'too tough to die', but that isn't the stuff we remember them for. few bands are as good as their first few
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Okay, what about "one of the first punk bands and are widely considered to be the most influential" or "most important"? I think it needs to be stated right off that the
Ramones occupy a special place in rock history, something different from the Dolls and the Stooges--great though those bands are,
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Honestly, the more I read this article, the more disappointed I am in it. From its terrible run-on opening sentence, "The
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I would suggest the following change: Instead of "The Ramones were a punk rock band," it ought to read "The Ramones were the FIRST punk rock band." I think that most music historians and enthusiasts would agree that they were the first band to meld all of the requisite elements of punk rock music
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Why are they listed as musical activists? Aside from Bonzo goes to Germany, they really didn't have any "political" songs. As a band, they didn't have a political stance and as far as I know, they never played benefits, or donated band money to any activist organization. I would suggest removing
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Agreed. A plural as a band name is common and it is correct in that case to refer to the band as the composite of their members; a plural. I will also change the sentence: "The Ramones were a very influential early punk rock band, believed by many to be the first and also seen as the fathers of
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My word, how did you get even here. Steve was NEVER a drummer for the Ramones. That was left to the extremely talented Mister Bell. Steve did though have the honor to drum, befriend and associate with many great musicians of that era, certainly to many to mention here under such poor conditions
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It could also be "rightly" said that the Ramones made rock and roll fun again, the Sux Pistols ruined the chance to make them popular by turning "punk" into some stupid fashion show, and Malcolm McLaren, John Lydon, et al. should be imprisoned for their crimes. But maybe that's just me...
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I’ve noticed how only the first four Ramones albums contain the Rhino re-release bonus tracks however all the albums from Ramones to Too Tough To Die have been re-released with bonus so cold some one please add the bonus tracks to the fallowing albums; End of the Century, Pleasant Dreams,
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I think this section is getting a little overgrown. Seriously, EVERY punk group can list the Ramones as an influenece. I think we should shave it down to the ones that are entirely neseccary and/or are interesting. There also appears to be a bit of vandalism or just bad editing.
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The article states that Johnny refused to play the song when he figured out what it was about. Is there confirmation of this? Johnny would have to be pretty dense; I figured it out in high school. It was released in 1986, and I have a DVD of them playing BGTB in 1992 in Cologne.
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Seriously, the whole Ref's and Trib's section has got to go. No other band seems to have one; why do the Ramones? Is every little snippet of a Ramones song in a TV show or movie going to be catalogued? Every TV appearance? Leave that for the fan sites. Anybody wanna weigh in?
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template or whatever it is called needs some clean-up time. Maybe the "Discography" section should be split up into seperate categories like "singles", "albums"... If I would know how to do that I would, but I don't. And Editing stuff like that is a bit ahead of me.
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The band name was actually "Ramones", not "The Ramones". When used in a sentence, the word "the" is added for sentence flow. But there is no "the" in the title. It is the same with the Pixies and the Eagles. The article title should be switched to "Ramones".
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I think this is a matter of opinion and should not be included in the opening section of the article. The article also doesn't clarify who the first punk band was if it wasn't the Ramones (The Stooges, perhaps?). Personally, I think they were the first.
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Ugh. The Ramones "were" or the Ramones "are", but not the Ramones "was". I know "the Ramones" as a band is a single entity, but still, leading off this page with grammar that I think sets off alarms in most people's heads is simply a bad idea.
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That was Joey doing a benefit for the Democratic Party, not the Ramones. They never did politics, because Joey and Johnny disagreed so much. I'd feel better if Johnny and Joey were seperately listed as activists than the group as a whole.
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Can we make a seperate article *specifically* for refs and tributes? I agree that it is growing out of hand and I have a few ideas to reorganize it, should it be kept, but I can easily apply the same ideas to the list on another article.
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Added a link to rhapsody, I suggest people get the service if they want the LP experience, I know it kinda devalues our CD collections, but I had 200 CD's before I got on rhapsody. Its the best experience if you are really into music.
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If there are no objections I will change the first sentence to "The Ramones are widely considered to be a seminal punk rock band;" I think this is more ambiguous and less one-sided. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
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The song was written by Dee Dee not Joey. The dispute was over the title,which Johnny didn't like. They comprimised on the album it was called 'Howling at the Moon (Sha-la-la)' and on the single 'Bonzo Goes to Bitburg'.
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I think BGTB was actually renamed 'My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down' - My copy of 'BTBG' Beggars Banquet 1985, my copy of 'Animal Boy' Sire 1986. Also 'Poison Heart:Surviving The Ramones' Dee DeeRamone, pp 118 - 119.
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There is a song by some band and it is called DEADRAMONES. But I really cannot remember the name of the band and can't add it to Ramones References until I do. Has anyone ever heard the song or know who sings it?
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I found this in the Famous Fans section: "a pinhead that held up a sign that read, "Gabba Gabba Hey" when they would play the song Pinhead. The pinhead was named Gabby Hey. This name was given to him by either
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Re: today's edit - The Ramones *were* a "hugely" influential punk band. This isn't "point of view", it's documented fact, from testimony of the countless musicians who claim to have been influenced by them.
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I've removed this section. No other band really has one, it was getting too long and unwieldy, no sources, grammatically poor entries, pointless entries, etc., etc. I think it cleans up the whole article.
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What you guys forget is that they never called themselves a "Punk" band. The Stooges and the Dolls were influences for punk, but especially in the case of the Dolls they were more glam rock. --
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cast (The Ramones appeared on The Uncle Floyd Show at least 15 times)." Can someone please validate this claim or at least make it grammatically correct. I have no idea where it came from. --
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What the HELL is that thing at the bottom listing their singles? It looks like it was once a table of somes sort but the monsters of bad Wiki markup ate it. This article is just messed up. --
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My Brain Is Hangin Upside Down was written by BOTH Joey and Dee Dee. Jean Beavoir also contributed. Johnny did play that song live even though it was against his values and opinions.
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Thanks, it has been a while since I have seen that movie so I'm not familiar with it. Could you find some way to incorporate it into the main article? Thanks! --
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An unknown user changed the first line again from "were" to "was"--I switched it back. Again, "The Ramones were" is absolutely fine and acceptable. --
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albums, but the difference is pretty well marked for the ramones, and that's why i think someone should mention the post-eotc decline in quality.
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It doesn't matter much what someone considers himself to be. War criminals generally don't consider themselves to be war criminals either. --
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Duncan is right, it was renamed "My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down"-"Howling At The Moon (Sha-la-la)" is a completely different song.
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