Knowledge

Talk:Random permutation statistics

Source đź“ť

74: 53: 22: 268:"Expected cycle size of a random element" -- confusing. You really meant expected cycle size containing element 1, but wanted to emphasize the symmetry. Then SAY so! First state a theorem that the cycle containing 1 has uniform length. Prove it by simple counting. Conclude that the expected length in (n+1)/2. Only then you can enclose the g.f. proof. 147: 308:
Passages in this article are identical to passages in the linked paper "The statistics of random permutations." For example, the first paragraph is verbatim as are many other passages that I checked. So either the wikipedia article is copied from the paper without proper attribution or the paper is
342:
The article seems to use only one specialized and rather obscure method to solve problems. As such, it is not a good encyclopedia article. I hope someone who knows permutation statistics can rewrite the article from the ground up so it is more accessible and shows the methods most people in
220:
I read this article thorugh and found it unnecessary technical and lacking some structure. You might want to start with an introduction. What statistics are you considering? Why? Can your results be proved by other methods? Here are few more precise recommendations:
384:
This article contains a lot of original research previously not covered in the literature. This doesn't mean that the content is wrong, it's just not backed up by reliable sources. Note that math forum contributions are not reliable sources.
365:. However, there are lots of other methods for solving these problems, and the article should mention those, and cite the literature (including the books I just mentioned). I'll try to improve the article a bit myself. 258:"Expected number of cycles of any length of a random permutation" -- from the previous result, obviously, it's the sum of 1/m for m=1..n. Only after you state and explain this you can incude you g.f. methods. 274:(a_n,...,a_2,a_1) gives the symmetry of the number of inversions around {n \choose 2}/2. The result follows. Same can be concluded from the explicit product formula. Are you sure you want to use g.f.? 124: 228:
2) Move the "fundamental relation" to a separate WP page with this title. Refer to it if necessary. This part is about technique, not statistics and this should be understood by the reader.
263:"Expected number of transpositions of a random permutation" -- misnamed. I have no idea what that means. Are you counting 2-cycles? Perhaps inversions? This is unclear. 165: 413: 114: 418: 408: 90: 289: 323: 202: 183: 81: 58: 249:"Expected number of cycles" -- start with the formula. Give a proof using basic counting: expected numberof cycles of length 273:"Expected number of inversions" -- this is unforgivingly complicated. A trivial bijective argument (a_1,a_2...,a_n) --: --> 231:
3) In each paragraph start with the statement of the theorem. Include your proof at the end. Say what are other proofs.
33: 288:
Moreover, these enumerations of permutations with special properties have nothing or little to do with "random". --
293: 21: 327: 206: 244:-- start with the formula upfront. Give the involution principle proof. Conclude with g.f. as a remark. 39: 73: 52: 319: 316:
The paper is dated June 8, 2006. Portions of the wikipedia article were posted prior to that date.
370: 357:
The method is not "obscure"; a lot has been written about it - e.g. Flajolet and Sedgewick's book
89:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
310: 390: 348: 201:"One hundred prisoners" problem section refers to "survival" condition without defining it. 394: 374: 352: 331: 297: 282: 210: 366: 402: 386: 344: 241: 86: 279: 309:
copied from the article and thus not suitable as a reference as noted in
253:= {n \choose m} (m-1)! / n! = 1/m Only then g.f. proof can be used. 140: 15: 161: 225:
1) Give an outline of the article. Discuss the scope.
85:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 156:
may be too technical for most readers to understand
8: 278:In summary, the article clearly needs work. 19: 47: 184:Learn how and when to remove this message 168:, without removing the technical details. 49: 343:permutation statistics actually use. 166:make it understandable to non-experts 7: 79:This article is within the scope of 38:It is of interest to the following 414:Low-importance Statistics articles 14: 145: 99:Knowledge:WikiProject Statistics 72: 51: 20: 419:WikiProject Statistics articles 409:Start-Class Statistics articles 119:This article has been rated as 102:Template:WikiProject Statistics 1: 353:22:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC) 93:and see a list of open tasks. 375:03:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC) 283:09:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC) 211:08:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC) 435: 332:18:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC) 298:10:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC) 118: 67: 46: 395:04:31, 1 July 2014 (UTC) 363:Generatingfunctionology 359:Analytic Combinatorics 82:WikiProject Statistics 28:This article is rated 197:One hundred prisoners 304:Circular reference? 105:Statistics articles 311:Knowledge:CIRCULAR 216:Article needs work 34:content assessment 380:Original research 322:comment added by 194: 193: 186: 139: 138: 135: 134: 131: 130: 426: 361:and Wilf's book 334: 189: 182: 178: 175: 169: 149: 148: 141: 125:importance scale 107: 106: 103: 100: 97: 76: 69: 68: 63: 55: 48: 31: 25: 24: 16: 434: 433: 429: 428: 427: 425: 424: 423: 399: 398: 382: 340: 317: 306: 218: 199: 190: 179: 173: 170: 162:help improve it 159: 150: 146: 104: 101: 98: 95: 94: 61: 32:on Knowledge's 29: 12: 11: 5: 432: 430: 422: 421: 416: 411: 401: 400: 381: 378: 339: 336: 305: 302: 301: 300: 290:131.114.72.186 276: 275: 270: 269: 265: 264: 260: 259: 255: 254: 246: 245: 233: 232: 229: 226: 217: 214: 198: 195: 192: 191: 174:September 2010 153: 151: 144: 137: 136: 133: 132: 129: 128: 121:Low-importance 117: 111: 110: 108: 91:the discussion 77: 65: 64: 62:Low‑importance 56: 44: 43: 37: 26: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 431: 420: 417: 415: 412: 410: 407: 406: 404: 397: 396: 392: 388: 379: 377: 376: 372: 368: 364: 360: 355: 354: 350: 346: 337: 335: 333: 329: 325: 321: 314: 312: 303: 299: 295: 291: 287: 286: 285: 284: 281: 272: 271: 267: 266: 262: 261: 257: 256: 252: 248: 247: 243: 240: 239: 238: 237: 230: 227: 224: 223: 222: 215: 213: 212: 208: 204: 196: 188: 185: 177: 167: 163: 157: 154:This article 152: 143: 142: 126: 122: 116: 113: 112: 109: 92: 88: 84: 83: 78: 75: 71: 70: 66: 60: 57: 54: 50: 45: 41: 35: 27: 23: 18: 17: 383: 362: 358: 356: 341: 324:64.154.21.57 315: 307: 277: 250: 235: 234: 219: 203:193.9.13.137 200: 180: 171: 155: 120: 80: 40:WikiProjects 318:—Preceding 242:Derangement 30:Start-class 403:Categories 338:Too narrow 96:Statistics 87:statistics 59:Statistics 367:John Baez 236:Examples: 320:unsigned 160:Please 123:on the 387:Quartl 345:Zaslav 36:scale. 391:talk 371:talk 349:talk 328:talk 294:talk 280:Mhym 207:talk 164:to 115:Low 405:: 393:) 385:-- 373:) 351:) 330:) 313:. 296:) 209:) 389:( 369:( 347:( 326:( 292:( 251:m 205:( 187:) 181:( 176:) 172:( 158:. 127:. 42::

Index


content assessment
WikiProjects
WikiProject icon
Statistics
WikiProject icon
WikiProject Statistics
statistics
the discussion
Low
importance scale
help improve it
make it understandable to non-experts
Learn how and when to remove this message
193.9.13.137
talk
08:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Derangement
Mhym
09:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
131.114.72.186
talk
10:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Knowledge:CIRCULAR
unsigned
64.154.21.57
talk
18:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Zaslav
talk

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.

↑