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793:- In the taxonomy section, IMO there should be info on the bird's close relationship with the Crested Quetzal. The Cornell Lab of Ornithology, in its adaptation of Handbook of Birds, noted that "Resplendent Quetzal as a "very near relative of the Crested Quetzal ." Some sources consider the Crested Quetzal to be a race of the Resplendent Quetzal (e.g. Peters 1945), or that the two form a superspecies." This could also be found via its source based on several papers such as Johnsgard (2000). Please see link here, which is also the article's fifteenth ref (it requires a subscription to view the content, so if you can't access it please let me know, thanks): 861:). Birds of the World also stated that "Phylogenetic analyses of DNA sequence data, from mitochondrial and nuclear genes, consistently position the monotypic genus Euptilotis as sister to the "true" queztals, Pharomachrus (Espinosa de los Monteros 1998, Moyle 2005, Quintero and Espinosa de los Monteros 2011). The relationship of quetzals (Euptilotis + Pharomachrus) within Trogoniformes is unresolved." I have added those sources as well, but am unsure whether the former is helpful, so you can rm that if you want. Thanks. 1004:- To clarify, the mean is the average of a data set (i.e., given 1, 1, 3, and 5, the mean is the sum of the numbers, 10, divided by how many numbers there is, 4, giving 2.5). But the median is the middle number, in the case of 1, 1, 3, and 5, both 1 and 3 are the middle numbers, so the median is the mean of those two, hence 2. In the ref, the stats of 75cm and 63cm are the medians, not the averages, which are 722 ± 164 mm and 614 ± 123 mm. See here: 565: 532: 477: 451: 427: 406: 367: 343: 314: 293: 232: 208: 590: 1782: 1747: 1717: 1661: 1636: 1567: 1523: 1392: 1289: 1253: 1232: 1164: 1105: 1083: 1053: 1025: 921: 899: 878: 824: 765: 748: 731: 1118:"Adults fed on fruits of 15 plant species, six of which (40%) are members of the family Lauraceae; 63 percent of the fruit items consumed were from these species. Other fruit items consumed were from species belong to the families Theaceae (8.3%) and, with 4.2 percent each: Myrsinaceae, Araliaceae, Verbenaceae, Solanaceae, Myrtaceae, Melasomataccae, Moraceae and Clusiaceae." 42: 946: 783: 626: 892:- Capitalise the first letter of the first word in the notes section ("it is sometimes spelled mocino, but "ñ" was formerly spelled "nn" in Spanish, so the spelling with "nn" is justified and in any case now official.") Also, a minor (and optional) suggestion is to possibly reword "in any case now official". 846:- After searching through Google Books and Google Scholar I could not find another source stating that, but a lot of research papers use solely quetzal to refer to the resplendent quetzal. The best alternative I could arrange was the quetzal definition in the Collins and Merriam-Webster dictionaries ( 1618:
Absolute specifications of time are preferred to relative constructions using recently, currently, and so on, because the latter may go out of date. "By July 2022 contributions had dropped" has the same meaning as "Recently, contributions have dropped" but the first sentence retains its meaning as
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Cloud forests are among the most threatened ecosystems in the world, mainly due to the demographic explosion, expansion of the agricultural frontier, and the lack of fire control (LaBastille and Allen 1969; Cruz and Erazo 1977; LaBastille and Pool 1978; SolĂłrzano et al. 2003; Renner and Markussen
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Minor comment on distribution: The article says that "This species lives among lush vegetation, in very moist rainforests in high elevations (900-3200m)." The ref backing it up (IUCN) is credible, but IMO there could be a note as there is variation among the refs. Birds of the World cites 1000 to
1582:- Personally, with the above suggestions done, the reviewing is almost done, but I do need to fact-check it again, I did an optional c/e (mostly minor and optional). There are a lot of minor comma preferences issues, but I did a couple, please change if necessary, as GA don't need to have a 937:
The length of the longest uppertail-covert in P. m. mocinno measured 310–1005 mm (median: 750 mm, mean: 722 ± 164 mm, n = 46), and in P. m. costaricensis 320–860 mm (median: 630 mm, mean: 614 ± 123 mm, n = 27). The mean values were significantly different (Randomisation Test: p <0.005)."
934:"The width of the uppertail-coverts of P. m. mocinno measured 39–79 mm (median: 51 mm, mean: 53.2 ± 9.2 mm, n = 46) and of P. m. costaricensis 26–49 mm (median: 39 mm, mean: 37.7 ± 4.8 mm, n = 27). The mean values were significantly different (Randomisation Test: p <0.0000005) (Fig. 2). 1005: 838:- Is the third source from Encyclopaedia Britannica, as it reads "Quetzal. 1890. In: EncyclopĂŠdia Britannica a dictionary of arts, sciences, and general literature. Chicago: R. S. Peale & Co. p. 179-180"? If so, it is not an RS according to RSP (see this link: 854:). Regarding the RSP link, it says that the reliableness of Britannica is debatable, so since the statement its supporting is just general information I would let it pass. But you're the reviewer so it's your call, if you want me to remove the phrase I will. 1427:
www.deviantart.com is not a reliable source and it was not used to retract information, those specific excerpts were already on the article a long time ago so most likely it was www.deviantart.com who copied Knowledge and not the other way around.
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https://bioone.org/journals/bulletin-of-the-british-ornithologists-club/volume-137/issue-4/bboc.v137i4.2017.a6/Morphometric-differentiation-between-subspecies-of-Resplendent-Quetzal-Pharomachrus-mocinno-mocinno/10.25226/bboc.v137i4.2017.a6.full
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As I only have the abstract, I couldn't see where it specifically points out that the family "Lauraceae" just refers to wild avocados. If possible, could you give me the full transcript (otherwise IMO this could be changed)? Many thanks!
758:- Could there potentially be a note (Efn template) for this statement instead: "(it is sometimes spelled mocino, but "ñ" was formerly spelled "nn" in Spanish, so the spelling with "nn" is justified and in any case now official)"4 1688: 1321:
female brought more fruits. Wheelwright also observed shorter return times for parents providing fruits than animal items. Yet, even late in the nestling period, over half of the items give to the nestling were insects or
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Many thanks, if you could first address the copyvios that would be great, and the clarification needed tags. I've also marked some suggestions as optional, these don't matter much with the GA review, IMHO.
1415: 334:, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). 800:- I do not have a subscription. And the old version which I used as the fifteenth source does not mention any of this. Perhaps you can transclude the paragraph you're referring to my 1547:
Additionally, from that day on, the quetzal, which sang beautifully before the Spanish conquest, has been silent ever since; it will sing once again only when the land is truly free.
1124:"Particularly important are wild avocados and other fruit of the laurel family, which the birds swallow whole before regurgitating the pits, which helps to disperse these trees." 331: 47: 217: 1072:
3000m ("The subspecies costaricensis inhabits Costa Rica and the western highlands of Panama. It ranges from 1,000-3,300 meters in elevation."), whereas the article
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cites "These forests, ranging from 1300 to 3000 m elevation, represent the breeding habitats for this species". Again, this is a very minor suggestion, so thanks.
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Thanks for your reply! IMO if these issues are addressed the article is close to GA, but I think the close paraphrasing is probably the main problem.
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Considering that this is the introducting content for the journal with multiple refs cited, this could be included IMO, but is totally optional.
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This is totally optional, but do the sources section have some info not covered in the in-line refs? If so, could they be moved there?
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It is thought that some subpopulations may be increasing or at least stable whilst others are declining (S. Renner in litt. 2016).
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This is due to that the ref refers to the median as 63cm, however, the average is the mean, and is not the same with the median.
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time passes. And recently type constructions may be ambiguous even at the time of writing: Was it in the last week? Month? Year?
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Maybe the greater provision of fruits and the insects being the primary/main feeding food could be mentioned and reworded.
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TecĂșn, equipped with merely an arrow and bow, nevertheless managed to disable Alvarado's horse on the first strike.
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Conservation Priorities for Resplendent Quetzals Based on Analysis of Mitochondrial DNA Control-Region Sequences
615:- "The quetzal is an altitudinal migrant specie" should be "The quetzal is an altitudinal migrant species", see 1157:
Ref 29 is an RS from National Geographic, but IMO could there be a better peer reviewers journal if possible?
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Until recently, it was thought that the resplendent quetzal could not be bred or held for a long time in...
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Hello, I am VickKiang, and I will be reviewing this article. Many thanks for your time and help.
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is still very similar and is still closely paraphrasing, perhaps another reword? Many thanks!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Encyclopaedia_Britannica
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is RS but is dated from 2003, wondering there might be a newer update on conservation data?
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Note, the source is also from ref 1, but the cited ref within IUCN might be more detailed.
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bright colors of the quetzal are disguised by their natural habitat in the rainforest
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The paraphrasing might be unintentional, but is way too close and needs improvement.
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the first strike TecĂșn UmĂĄn, on foot, managed to disable Pedro de Alvarado’s horse.
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copyvio is still a bit worrying, I'd like to trim down the paraphrasing even more.
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Thank you. I'm on vacations right now but I will make all the changes after it.
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But the latter one is minor compared to the first. The same applies for this:
1206:- Many thanks for your help! Also, the minor copyvios are major issues, IMHO. 1629:
I've added clarification needed and when tags, please improve. Many thanks!
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Thank you so much, after five months we did it! Sorry for my inactivity.
1497:- Unfortunately I don't have access to ref 34, could you transclude it? 1263:- I find the nest failure to be "around 70 percent" to be confusing. Per 489:: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing 914:- Please improve ref 15 if possible, it seems to be an unreliable blog. 616: 1268: 1443:
My mistake, striken, didn't see it's also a circular source, oops...
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have the highest percentage (I've added the latter to the article).
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Article is suitably focused, detail is all right for WP standards.
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current population trend of the resplendent quetzal is decreasing.
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https://birdsoftheworld.org/bow/species/resque1/cur/systematics
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http://datazone.birdlife.org/species/factsheet/Eared-Quetzal
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it will sing anew solely when the land is utterly liberated
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MoS (lede, layout, words to watch) are generally followed.
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Many thanks, do you think revdeling is needed? Note this:
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is a bit similar and might be paraphrased compared to the
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Maybe this could be tweaked slightly, but is optional.
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Sure, already addressed the clarification needed tags!
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Some parts need minor c/e, but is generally all right.
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I find this vague, please reword it. Same with this:
1046:- Better source is needed still for ref 16 (blog?). 1468:) suggestion irrelevant to GA (it only needs to be 1420:
this reason, it is a traditional symbol of liberty.
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Thanks. 696:Bellow 10%, violation unlikely it says. 178: 61: 33: 1761: 1727: 1696: 1692: 1652:...insects, lizards, frogs and snails? 1651: 1626: 1622: 1617: 1613: 1605: 1583: 1546: 1542: 1537:, it needs to be changed, this is the 1513: 1509: 1473: 1469: 1419: 1382: 1364: 1360: 1320: 1243: 617:https://grammarist.com/usage/species/ 7: 1367:. I changed this, see edit summary. 663:- Already trimmed down to below 15%. 220:; spelling and grammar are correct. 216:. the prose is clear, concise, and 807:- I have transcluded the content. 24: 1475:2005; Toledo-Aceves et al. 2011). 1242:- Perhaps the sizes of the eggs ( 1780: 1764:. 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