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Richard, I am not personally attacking you or your business practices. I am asking you to present your articles in a more encyclopedic manner. I am not the only one reading these articles and definitely not the only one you need to convince. I will refrain from any further contact with your articles.
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In answer to your questions it is because of the unique beauty and quality of my creations and the special way we use astrology to choose gems, all have combined to interest the media all over the world. So we have received massive PR coverage. Just 2 days back I gave a TV interview... which makes 32
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Accordingly, as everyone is busy, and based on rules number 4 above, I went ahead and removed all the COI and left bare bones. I did not delete any references numbers. I'm not sure which to delete, because they all support the same thing, my jewelry design career. But the text is bare bones. Based on
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Thirdly I have developed (or accepted) my version of an already established field of metaphysical or astral or
Planetary Gemology, that enables me to teach people how to cast birth charts and determine the best gem. I myself do this service free for VIPs, while sales staff do free for any interested
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NOW CLEANED UP WITH MULTIPLE CITATIONS It was requested that I need "several" published neutral references to clear this up. So in all there are 22 references. The article is completely stripped down to basic facts and 22 references are given (more than several are international, and most of the big
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I have only put useful information that are verifiable 3rd party published quotes. What am I supposed to do? Hire someone else to put for me? I've given my name and am not hiding! It is not my writing. I was told long ago that Wiki articles only want 3rd party published info. If you see the article
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Because I am able to choose the gems (successfully), plus supply the fine quality natural gem, plus have my own designs, over 250 designs in 9 big hardbound book, which are becoming popular since last 31 years. And I put it all together as a completed talisman, with numbered certificate, and then
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Emana, I'm not sure why you seem so adverse to my business. I am notable for my jewelry creations much more than for music. And I am supporting over 36 employees, rather, they're supporting me, and I'm not getting rich. I own a Thai company that pays taxes, keeps ONE set of accts., is noble, and
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I understand that Brown has been mentioned or featured in many magazine/newspaper articles and has appeared on television. What I would like to know is what was mentioned in those articles and programmes that makes Brown so interesting and notable? Billions of people around the world are always
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So now what "3rd party quotes" do you want deleted? There are no bad quotes because you can search the web and you won't find even one bad rap. What should I do now, vandalize my article? I understand about original research, and that's why every single word is 3rd party published referenced
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I have a list of many MORE references but it's already overkill. Over 300 articles have been published about
Richard Shaw Brown and his work, AFTER the band. So by any standard I am more well known for my work after the band. Best
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Sunrise on Sunday, or Pearl for Moon on Monday, etc. Every Hindu, Sikh, Jain, Buddhist, and others all know well about planetary gemology since ages. It is a combination of
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metaphysical, and honest and fair. If otherwise I couldn't last. So please be respectful of my business just like for my band. There is nothing wrong with "making a living" and supporting my family and employees.--
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