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England and Academy schools are certainly state schools but equally certainly non-governmental, so as a definition it's a total mess. A clear, unambiguous and unequivocal mess, perhaps.
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I'm not repeating this 'all over the place' I'm placing it on the Talk Pages of those articles I'm trying to amend to seek clarity on private schools. Please don't try to claim that because there are so many different types of school, it's difficult to ascertain which ones are public sector and which
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I (T. 70-74) remember "speckle" and "tanner", but not "bug", "boomer", "pig" "schtig" or "stripe". I remember a "copy" being an essay on a set topic, not a prize; and surely "shag" (meaning "not-school" in a rather abstract way, e.g. "shag clothing" = not uniform, "shagging off" = illicitly skipping
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Straight from the horse's mouth, some of those terms (such as Stodge, Sixth, Boomer, Tosh, Copy, Distinction, Levee (I think one of the es is supposed to have an accent too)) are used and some (such as Beak, Tanner, Speckle, Bug, Topos) I have never heard in my life. They may be historical and not in
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This section has to be on of the worst I've ever read on
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Moghraby is actually the pioneer of the intestinal transplant, as he did not actually finish his time at Rugby, and was also my peer while I attended (1990-1995) however I can't find any actual references on the internet to a pioneer
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Well, it's fascinating to think that public school slang has a limited life, and is dynamic, just like slang in the 'real world'. I can vouch for most of the words in the current list as being in use when I was at Rugby (Sh, 1961-66), albeit with some exceptions: Boomer, Pig (for Levée), Speckle,
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Ah, I see, you're repeating this all over the place. That doesn't make you right; and I see also that you are being reverted and then reverting edits on this matter by numerous other editors. While this doesn't necessarily make you wrong, it at least indicates that you might possibly be in a
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As a current teacher at Rugby School, I'm sad to say that the 'tick' is no more, and none of my colleagues know about it. Quite a few of the other words in this section are also no longer used. I'm very surprised to see nothing about the LXX and XX (and the history behind these).
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