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Is this a joke? The anti-Israel activists go to every corner of
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Eventide" occasionally abbreviated as "RoE," and links to the article under "RoE," which is, mistakenly, this one. I have already posted this problem under the page for Rubies of Eventide in hopes that someone will make a distinction between the two
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America's rules of engagement from a professional soldier. "On a treeless mountainside far from home, four of our bravest patriots came to the ghastly conclusion that the only way to save themselves was forbidden by the ROE. Such an action would set off a
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The very first sentence, with its weird mention of piracy, doesn't make any sense at all. As well, in a later section, someone has shovelled in a reference to a critique that just comes out of nowhere. It should be in the critique section. I came looking for specific information and found,
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I removed the NATO/ Brit/ USMC section as it wasn't really all that useful. Whilst the Brit section was apposite he article shouldn't be Brit centric. The USMC material was more about classification of subject individuals than RoE per se.
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The ranty section has come out completely. There are issues with RoE, but the fact that murder isn't really permitted isn't a flaw and not really part of the grown up debate about how they're used.
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Britain and the U.S. Maybe if someone knows other ROE's, we can expand the article.
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