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I don't think they are. "Exit the war in secret" doesn't make sense to me, conjuring up images of pretending to continue fighting while in reality already being at peace with the "opponent". At the best, it's confusing and ambiguous wording, while the current wording is extremely clear at what was
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this looks like original research to me, perhaps the result of a lecture by the man referred to as a reference....? No inline citations, no documentation (other than the vague reference to the doctoral dissertation), no wiki structure, poor links.... This has a B class from
Finland group, but I'm
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Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. It's impossible to be at peace and pretending to fight at the same time. There is no reason for the deception. Peace and fighting are contradicting each other. You're playing a semantics game. "Exit the war in secret" simply just means that they wanted to
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The armistice is irrelevant to the matter being discussed here. Fact: Finland wanted to exit the war in secret (without alerting the Nazi), so of course, meeting with the Soviet Union had to be in secret as well. Maybe, they were afraid that the Nazi could have turned on them if they knew. They
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Deleted some uncorrect statements in the "controversy" section, among other things it was stated that "a
Finnish peculiarity was - and still is - that Social Democratic and Socialist groups dominated the working-class political movements, and Communists always were a fringe phenomenon" This is
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Finnish pecularity that in the post-war period the Finnish communist party at times polled more votes than the social democratic party, in 1958 even becoming the largest party in Finland with 23%.
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A comma is not necessary, so my wording is better. The two phrases are equivalent. User Jon698 reverted my edit with a rationale, "the wording implies that the Soviet Union would enter the war secretly rather than secretly meeting with the
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How does my wording imply that the Soviet Union would enter the war secretly? I just don't see it. Let's break down my phrase. Finland was seeking to exit the war in secret, and they had contacted the Soviet Union to achieve that.
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These gross inaccuracies lead me to suspect that the whole of the controversy section is a result of original research, hope someone with more knowledge than me about the actual Ryti-Ribbentrop agreement can look into that.
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We're playing a semantics game here. They're pretty much equivalent as far as a reader is concerned. Here are the 2 facts: Finland met the Soviet Union in secret and wanted to exit the war. "Finland wanted to exit the war
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I agree: the proposed version could be understood to mean that the goal was to exit the war in secret, while the current phrasing is unambiguous that "secret" modifies "contacted the Soviet Union" and not "exit the war".
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