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A tempest in a teapot in any case. Let each station, and their original programming, stand on their own merits. If WGBH sends out many programmes of the calibre of a NOVA or Masterpiece Theatre while WPBS-TV primarily produces a list of fishing or gardening shows, naturally WGBH will earn the greater
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There is no official definition; CBS may be free to say "WCBS is our flagship in New York" but PBS itself isn't going to be as free to designate one station a "flagship" and another not as they don't own the individual stations - organizations in the local communities own them, so the network playing
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is an original production produced by Thirteen/WNET. It's creators are Sandra Sheppard and Kristin Laskas Martin, who created the show for it's premiere in January 2002 (it piloted in 2001 on Thirteen). According to the programs current press material: "CYBERCHASE is produced by Thirteen/WNET New
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WNET Channel 134 is not a "non-commercial" tv station, and it hasn't been one for a long time. I watch the station every day and there are lots and lots of commercials aired every day. Car commercials, bank commercials, food commercials, etc... Just because they air them between programs european
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PBS's structure does cause original programming production to be the primary criterion (WGBH owes its massive lead in visibility over other PBS member broadcasters not to that one transmitting tower on that Great Blue Hill as much as to "a production of WGBH Boston" appearing on so many programmes
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In Addition, Those 'Commercials' are Allowed on the grounds of Public Service And Certain 'Commercials' Are in-house And Should Not Be Considered 'Commercials'. I have Been Watching WNET For 11 Years And There is Not One Single Commercial that was not Made in House By WNET And/or Sister Stations
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I'm pretty sure "Psych 1, Psych 2" in the song refer not to psychiatric wards but to undergraduate college psychology courses, commonly taken by students who will have no use for the subject. They're not relevant to WNET anyway, so I removed this allusion and so shortened the whole bit.
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favourites is inadvisable. As such, this whole exercise becomes nothing more than a mere statement of opinion on the part of viewers. Amount of programming (and quality of original programming) should by far be the most important criteria, home market size a very distant second at best.
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So "this program made possible by X Inc., makers of Y" complies, "this program made possible by X Inc., quality manufacturers of Y" bends the rules rather blatantly (not value-neutral) and "This program sponsored by X Inc., selling Y for ninety-five cents less than Z Company's crummy
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IMHO, this is valid and is not trivia. He is from Long Island and the use of NYC-region place names commonly appears elsewhere in his work (such as "Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?" in Movin' Out ). It's not a question of this "probably" being
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Ah, but if the designation is subjective, then it's not encyclopedic and therefore should not be included in the article. Otherwise, one can edit an article to say, "WNET is liek the best PBS station EVAR!!!" and not get called on NPOV. (Grammar, though, is another story.) --
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York and Nelvana Limited. Executive producers are Sandra Sheppard, Thirteen's executive director of Children's and Educational Programming, and Frances Nankin. Ellen Doherty is senior series producer." Check out their press materials in Thirteen's pressroom at
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Those Are Companies And Or Foundations That Donates to PBS and The Station In Question, So In Reality They Are calling calls that Shows the Viewers That They Care For PBS Programming And The Station Carrying it.
1137:) No idea how a slogan would "identify and not promote", isn't the point of a slogan to promote a product or its maker? Indeed, it's a very fine line that has been drawn, but supposedly the line is still there. 340:, I'm willing to concede that WNET is as qualified to call itself a "flagship" station as any other PBS member station. But then, that brings up the question of what stations might be called flagships. 169: 63: 1059:
style doesn't make it non-commercial. They take the car company money just like Fox and CBS and everybody else. You need to remove the phrase "non-commercial" from the description of Channel 13.
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Considering that Billy Joel came from New York and many of his songs dealt, one way or another, with New York life, that was probably in reference to WNET, albeit in a vague manner. Comment? --
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California to these trios of big-city stations just because of the names. This led subsequent editors to post the current "WPBS-TV is not a flagship" text, as WPBS primarily serves
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On an aside, some of WNET's newer programmes are showing a new ident. It uses the Thirteen logo amist a skyline (assuming it's NYC). Can someone get a screenshot of that ident? -
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Producing and presenting are two quite different things, so please change the title fo that section or remove all the series that haven't been actually produced by WNET, such as
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My take on this? The "flagship" label is one that was originally applied to the big commercial network-owned stations (WCBS/WNBC/WABC and KCBS/KNBC/KABC in
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The amount of programming carried nationally on PBS member stations would seem to be the primary criterion, but not necessarily the only one. Thoughts? --
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broadcast on so many other PBS stations across the nation). Satellites and cable TV are also distorting factors in visibility of individual stations.
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made-in-Blecchistan competing product THIS WEEK ONLY! SO BUY NOW!!!1!!!" clearly would be precluded from non-commercial broadcast. (unless you're
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It's still trivia, and not important to the understanding of the article's subject. You don't need a lesson in Billy Joel to learn about WNET.
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https://www.harlemworldmagazine.com/all-arts-collaborates-with-the-shed-to-introduce-4-emerging-nyc-black-artists-in-residence/
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are finding their way into old Billy Martin tunes, and those thirteen are the only other known PBS13 stations in existence. --
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https://playbill.com/article/wnet-will-launch-all-arts-streaming-platform-and-broadcast-channel-for-creative-expression
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WYES (New Orleans; has produced a fair number of cooking shows including those by Paul Prudhomme (and Justin Wilson?))
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You Are Confusing WNET For Another Public Station WNYE or Any of The Countless Independent Stations In The NYC Area.
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and plead poverty in order to get FCC to remove the "non-commercial" status entirely so your local PBS can become
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a "flagship" station of PBS. It's an important station, yes; but then, as mentioned in the edit history, so are
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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https://deadline.com/2019/01/public-tv-force-wnet-launches-broadcast-and-streaming-channel-all-arts-1202540966/
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WPBS (Watertown, NY; article goes to some length disclaiming the flagship moniker in spite of the call letters)
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WGTV (Athens-Atlanta; is the flagship of Georgia Public Television, but probably not a national flagship)
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is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under
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is not a flagship" and the like plastered onto every New York PBS member station's article text;
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announcements of discounts or incentives as an inducement to buy, sell, rent, or lease.
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I'm not sure why someone removed Cyberchase from this page. I replaced it because
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level of visibility in the PBS network. Beyond that, it's all subjective... --
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is an arts and culture programming hub by WNET, available online and via the
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Someone should add Camp TV to WNET's list of productions on WNET's article.
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just got singled out for this silliness because of their choice of callsign.
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All your life is Channel 13... Sesame Street... What does it mean?
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content assessment
WikiProjects
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Television
Stations
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Television portal
WikiProject Television
television programs
join the discussion
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the Television stations task force
Low-importance
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New York City
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New York City portal
WikiProject New York City
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the discussion
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WQED-TV
KQED

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