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programming ("honest" is in quotes because that word pops up numerous times in the description of the morning show itself). Additionally, discussion of evening lineup changes also was off-kilter and irrelevancies included. Therefore, the current programming section was slightly revised to neutral language; references to Air
America, the "gratingly-voiced" Lynn Samuels and the "Springeresque Richard Bey" were eliminated, but the bulk of the generalities were maintained.
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We assume that a source supports any sentence in the same paragraph that comes in front of that source and after the last source. That means any paragraph that ends without a source needs to be fixed or tagged. I've just done that tagging, and it's ridiculous -- there are more paragraphs tagged than not, I'm pretty sure. Go take a look and you'll see what I mean.
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Virtually all of WABC's weekday lineup—specifically
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After what seems like a hundred passes, I have taken down the "cleanup" tag on the "Disco/End of
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I've also noticed similar edits for various TV stations. If you look at the new pages just created at this moment, the user is using a similar format for Kansas City television stations. The same can be said for TV stations in other markets. Something should be done to alert other users who could be
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issued a personal warning on my page because I deleted these tags. Let's have a discussion then. The article clearly has 2 tags for sections, 1 that is unclear and 1 that needs to be expanded. Other than that the article's in good standing. Have a discussion here rather than issue personal warnings
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I have not read the WMCA article, but I agree that this article takes a pro-WMCA bias in the "Rivalry with WMCA" subsection. I would change it, but I don't really know how to accurately point out their battle over listeners and ratings. The user seemed to contribute some valid arguments, but does
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The removed material included bio info about Mark Simone that's already in his article, material about the announcement of the show that's outdated since the show has now begun, and the statement that the show "is an overwhelmingly success", which is not supported by ratings data (yet). As for the
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I'm a radio industry veteran who made a first attempt at cleaning up the "disco" section this afternoon. I am loath to delete some of these observations, as the demise of WABC as a Top 40 station was a seminal and sad event for many people, but I did clean up the sentence/paragraph structure, took
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You deleted the entire history of sports programming at this radio station. Knowledge (XXG) isn't just about what's current. It's also about what's happened in the past, and this station was prominent in sports coverage in the past. It's fine to question whether coverage is excessive, but removing
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The article states that WABC came into being in 1953. However, I've been listening to old broadcasts from the
Manhattan Room of the Hotel Pennsylvania from October to December 1937 - Benny Goodman. In these broadcasts, they clearly identify the station as "This is the Columbia Broadcasting System
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Someone with the same IP as mine (at that time, anyway, as AOL IPs are not static due to the proxy servers) vandalized the WABC page six hours after I had made major revisions to the article. Because of the one line of vandalism, and the later reversion, four hours of my work was lost. Please
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The thing is, this person's contributions throw articles out of balance. WABC has been a NYC radio powerhouse for 40 years now, first as the dominant music station, later as the dominant talk station, yet about 80% of the current article focuses on the one late 70s-early 80s stretch where they
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It's not spam. It is replacing information which you keep removing. You also should not be editing this article, since you are clearly not a listener. Any WABC listener knows that they call Simone "Supersub". If you didn't even know that, you are not qualified to be editing this article. --
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In reading the article on WABC as it relates to current programming, the language someone used in describing their morning shows and some of the late-evening programming had a very distinct slant that sounded more like a promotional tool and less like an "honest" description of the current
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The single-source link does not support the article text that Simone is "billed" as a "supersub." The anon editor placed it on the page in order to push more pro-Simone POV PR, as he or she has done on several other pages under several anon sockpuppet IDs. The info is hardly verified,
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I am not going to waste my time reversing your talk page comments now embedded in mine, but please do not edit another user's comment, please comment below their edit. Again, it will be difficult for other users to understand any semblance of what that list is now.
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They're still keeping up the spamming, under the guise of many anonymous IDs. Trying to cram as much PR as they can into the article. The "super-sub" nonsense is the latest bit of spam. I wonder if all this is coming from Simone himself, bucking for a promotion.
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With respect, that was the proper way to address the issues, on a point by point basis. I notice that I have improved the article by deleting citation needed sections and adding a NYTimes source. Whereas 3 exceptional articles are shown, the majority, such as
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I'm at a loss of words. My edit is undecipherable now, you understand that, yes? I can barely comprehend myself what is going on now, and other users likely difficulty reading through this talk section. I feel that I need to draw your attention to
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this article had the original research tag; SfA removed it recently. I believe he was invoking the
Streisand article because he says that there's "at least 6 paragraphs that are unsourced" and he believes that there is a double standard.
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out the words and phrases that were either too colloquial or didn't make sense, and in general, tried to make this section flow more clearly. I hope the result is an improvement, but it could use another pass or two. Comments welcome.
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It was stated in the WIKI article that WABC is carrying "WABC Country" on it's HD2. WABC is an AM station, and at the current time, AM HD equipment is not capable of running subchannels. The WABC country format is strictly web-only.
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I tried to clean it up as best as I could, as it was a whole lot worse before. The same user (I'm assuming this, because it was in a similar style even though he's using different IP addresses) also did similar edits for
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revert to the version posted at 00:23 on 26 July as I believe it was a significant improvement to the original. I cannot revert the article, as I'm obviously an AOL anon user without an account - yet. Thanks.
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illegal to have a crowd of onlookers chant a station jingle. The statement as it stands is absurd. My career was in radio and I know of no such FCC rule that even suggests anything even remotely like this.
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I changed the lumping of
Gambling and Batchelor in with the others between them. Gambling is more moderate, while Batchelor is idiosyncratic. The four in between them, however, are conservative hosts.
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has at least 6 paragraphs that are unsourced. Seems as if a double standard's being applied here. Furthermore, I see no evidence that this contains original research. If someone disagrees, explain here.
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in the future just try not to edit another user's comment--your method of editing my comment was not appropriate, you probably could have created an identical list with your answers. At any rate, the
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struggled. That's not right. On the other hand I hate to throw out this person's narratives — in some cases they are amusing, especially for stations that are always in programming turmoil.
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content that's been in the article for over a decade is a pretty big deal, and at minimum it needs discussion. If you don't understand why, you shouldn't be removing content.
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This section should be reorganized into sections reflecting the periods of Disney ownership and
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The comment is "tone down the Simone rah-rah". I don't see "rah-rah". This previous information was accurate and relevant and should be reverted.
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Noticed blue boy has undid this revision twice without talking in the talk page. Which sections does he think contain original research?
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