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announcing that they sold 2.7 million copies in the first week. Based on retail sales, this would indicate that digital accounted for about 75% of total sales, with about 2 million units moved digitally. That also doesn't include China, as the expansion didn't launch there until
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I'd say the Larard analysts' opinion was pretty accurate. If they sold 2.7 mil within first week, they likely had around 1.5 to 2.0 mil total sales in first 24 hours at best, which calculates to roughly 50% drop from Cata's figures (Lazard evaluation was published on
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I think it's ridiculous to have a "TBA" release date, when it's 99.99% known that it's coming out next year. Blizzard always release expansions the year after they're announced. However, "apparently" the release date needs to be officially announced before any kind of date or year can be entered.
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This is silly. We have a game informer article that reference Lazard venture. Then we have a second paragraph that is Lazard venture directly. Feels like some POV pushing is brewing here... I'm removing the second mention of the same analyst. Also, probably 70%+ of MOP sells were digital. --
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