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Antwoord WP page. Shortly after crafting this page, the Max Normal page was deleted (it looks like it's back now), and the Die Antwoord page was under threat of deletion. MaxNormal.TV the website had disappeared, I assume because they moved onto a different project, and references for this project and others were sparse. I created the page specifically because it seemed like there needed to be one place to cover _all_ the creative output of this person, and not just the mystery-that-was-Ninja that people were trying to decipher. I understand why he might want to be seen as that image, right now, but I was trying to take an all-encompasing and long-term approach to the subject. I think besides just referring him to the OTRS process, he should also be pointed to all the articles on BLP, articles on yourself, etc. etc.
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Yolandi say are frequently not trustworthy due to their commitment to character and image in regards to their art. So, we don't really know whether they are infact currently in a relationship or not, or how they define that relationship personally. (At least one fan who knows them personally and says he has housed them when they are in his city says they are not, but he's not exactly a reliable source and hasn't been able to follow or understand wikipedia editing policies.) There has also been an interview put out recently where Ninja goes on record as to Die Antwoord being no more at a certain point, yet Yolandi came out and said it wasn't true, but the people who wrote the original article put out a more detailed quote from Ninja about it. So, we have both "partner" or "former partner" in the relationship sense, as well as in the business / art / music sense. Opinions? Ideas? References?
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Antwoord or his sole identity presentation as the tough-guy Ninja, this article is about Watkin Tudor Jones as a whole. The burden of proof should be on editors wishing to remove long-standing details and referenced and cited information, not the person simply trying to revert his incorrect edits made on false premises and a lack of understanding of the subject.
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Vanilla Ice meets.. who knows what? For lack of a better way of saying it, it was like a bad accident that you couldn't help but want to look at and wonder about. If people only wanted to read about 'Ninja'.. there is the
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personas. "why I rock a suit...", "maybe I should get in with the new rave scene, I'll wear space age shades... and change my name to Wad-E, wear tight little white shorts..." "Change my accent, make it more wild , total makeover, change my whole style.." "You are so lost in{?] make believe, you have a new reality.."
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His legal last name is Tudor-Jones. His Fathers last name was Tudor and his mothers last name is Jones. I have never read anywhere what is middle name actually is so, therefor I cant provide one. I know his last name is Tudor-Jones because his mother and brother carry the same last name, now that
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prolific nature of this artist's output, this is a more complicated issue; infact many of the articles on him and the group have brought up the topic of the character vs. the person and his previous works. I have some other responses to some of the above comments, but I will save that for later.
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until 2005? i would suggest that this is wikipedia process in action. the reason it's not at P Diddy any more is the same reason that this article should remain under Watkin Tudor Jones. and there's no personal feeling here, the fact that you would suggest that this is the case is a little bit
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Waddy - This is just his name shortened, isn't it? Would we put "Bob" as an alias for Robert Deniro? If it's an unusual enough nickname for Watkins, perhaps it should be kept in the list, or even in his name if he used it for long enough ("Watkins "Waddy" Tudor
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I am slightly influenced by the subject's own naming preference here. The recent web references to "Ninja" are just what you would expect, as it is his current stage name. What would really swing it for me would be a book reference or two. Are there any?
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This is all wrong, Max Normal.tv and Max Normal are 2 different bands. Max Normal is the one mentioned in the article, but around 2007 Waddy remade Max Normal.tv where they released Good Morning South Africa just before Die Antwoord became his priority.
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The Movie Tokoloshe was made in 2010. Here is a link to an article about it. www.vice.com/en_au/article/tokoloshe ...I think this movie should be added to his acting carrer, but I am not sure how to set it up so the link will
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I have read them, but thank you for retelling me everything everyone else already said. I was unclear after the third person told me, but now that you have pointed it out once again, I understand.
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