Talk:Waukesha Christmas parade attack/Archive 4

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race-baiting leftist sites using soft terms. You don't want any information about the murderer, and your go-to again are sites who haven't wavered from waiting a day after Brooks was arrested to even use his name, and still every headline is "suspect" meanwhile you're still shoving Rittenhouse's name even into this article. (Control F his name versus Brooks in the talk section). You're suppressing any discussion about including legitimate information. Including my 100% substantiated and valid request to include that Darrell Brooks is a Black man who killed white people, since you find it necessary to repeatedly reference race in Rittenhouse's article without any substantiation or justification. Yet here we have the suspect in his own words declaring intent to murder white people and you suppress it. I'm sure I can find 100 Knowledge articles that mention deleted profiles and their contents even if they weren't "verified" (whatever that even means, unless anyone personally identifies it was their page, what standard are you even demanding? That someone was framing him in advance of his own actions by making a fake account pretending to be him predicting his actions?)

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persons are entitled to the greatest possible information regarding the affairs of government and the official acts of those officers and employees who represent them. Further, providing persons with such information is declared to be an essential function of a representative government and an integral part of the routine duties of officers and employees whose responsibility it is to provide such information. To that end, §§ 19.32 to 19.37 shall be construed in every instance with a presumption of complete public access, consistent with the conduct of governmental business. The denial of public access generally is contrary to the public interest, and only in an exceptional case may access be denied.”

642:. Appears to have been part of the proper name in the original source, the Waukesha Chamber of Commerce website. Not sure if enough RS are capitalizing it to justify us doing it, however. If we could capitalize that word, it would help eliminate any remaining ambiguity in the title. Not a hill I'm going to die on, but just wanted to throw it out there as a possibility. (Edit: A search of Newspapers.com finds references of the name from the 1970s until 2004 with inconsistent capitalization of that word, probably because no one thought it mattered enough to be consistent. So, whatever.) 2215: 1707:

widespread speculation exists. This incident took place just 2 days after the verdict was announced, Waukesha is only 45 miles from Kenosha and in the same state, and the suspect is black and the parade-goers were predominantly white. It is natural for people to wonder if there is a connection. People from both sides have publicly speculated. So I'm just wondering if this should be included in the Aftermath section and wanted to start a (calm) discussion.

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You will notice that the people said to drop "2021" because this is the only Waukesha parade attack in history. The exact same logic can be applied to the word "Christmas." In some sense, "Christmas" is even more redundant than "2021" because it's only needed if there were more than one parade attack in Waukesha in 2021, which seems like a very remote possibility this late in the year.

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I've gone through the article to ensure it only uses high quality journalistic sources rather than sites or tabloids and have even swapped out some borderline or questionable sources. None of these sources have even covered or mentioned this, while they have covered the bail reform controversy for example. So that's why the bail reform is in there, but this isn't.

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matter of swapping out the source. In other cases, the unreliable source will have slanted opinion meant to push a particular viewpoint or agenda, and using that source will bias the article. The responsible mainstream media are likely waiting until investigators start discussing possible motive and his social media posts before making comments on it themselves.

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usable (in-text attribution would be used anyway because this is a matter of media criticism, and we are not dealing with a talk show). PJ Media isn't on the chart there. The Wrap isn't even politically contentious. To dismiss a list of sources like that as "the usual suspects" smacks of political partisanship and a refusal to even consider available information.

3376:. Having "Christmas" in the title does nothing to avoid confusion or disambiguate. Just not a necessary word for the title. Obviously it will appear in the lead paragraph, but it's not absolutely essential information for a title. Among other reasons, there's zero evidence so far that the attack was related to Christmas. The 1921:

merit inclusion. The Jewish Week piece cannot seriously be considered, it quotes uncritically the twitter account "oak_tree_upheaval" who describes himself as a "shitposter extraordinaire" and "TheQuartering" who says he is a "Youtuber, Cat Dad, German Shepherd Collector". That does not come close to passing the BLP bar.

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sentence provides context: he was out on $ 1,000 bail after running somebody down with a car (allegedly), which is the same sort of thing he's now accused of at the parade. I think any reader can successfully connect the dots and form their own opinion. I was not suggesting that the prior wording was

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That is a questionable assertion. Do you have any sources supporting the claim that the two men killed in the Rittenhouse incident were "seen by many as Black Lives Matter protestors"? Without reliable, unbiased sources, it seems like there is no reason to explicitly claim that both mem are perceived

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Actually, upon re-reading those articles, instead of a whole paragraph in Aftermath it could just be a sentence in the Accused section, right after the one saying authorities do not think it is a terrorist attack. There could be a similar statement saying authorities do not think it is related to the

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account, and that he grew up in a neighborhood in Milwaukee. Though I don't think we should go into excessive details, simple information as to their job and birthplace seem relevant. A reader might want to know if they're American, from another state, or even if they come from another country. Also,

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Noticing a pattern? Yes, that left wing media, along with left-wing Wiki editors, want to suppress as much information as possible. You want a title like "Incident" (actual title used here) and argue against 6 dead and 60+ wounded needing a title like "Attack" or "massacre" with excuse of your go-to

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It doesnt really matter if something is right wing or not, what matters is if it is rumor and conjecture or what reliable sources report as fact. Until some reliable sources report as fact that this was his FB profile and this is what he said then it does not belong in here. I am kind of dismayed at

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article on the Facebook page starts off with "The Facebook account appearing to belong to Darrell Brooks". BLP still applies to Brooks, and you cannot make factual statements that the sole reliable source doesnt actual claim is actually his. If that becomes something confirmed as his then that might

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The first two articles are just reporting on the attack and make reference to there being no known connection to Kenosha. And the USA Today article is fact checking unsubstantiated claims made by conservatives on Twitter. I've never heard of Gateway Pundit. Anyway I was just wondering if it would be

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It could be along these lines: "In the days following the attack, there was widespread speculation by the media and general public about a possible connection between this parade attack and the not-guilty verdict in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. The speculation was due to the timing (two days apart),

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There's the usual suspect tabloids and blogs whose job it is to create endless sensationalist drama rather than report the news. So is this a real controversy or one that is simply conjured up for clicks and outrage? Just because these sources have mentioned this, doesn't mean we have to include it.

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Thanks Jehochman. I agree. This article is spinning like a top. It's a seven day old, 850 word article with over 850 edit revisions and almost no content addition in the last 350 edits - editors are recycling/reverting the same edits over and over again. It's been interesting to watch. Here are the

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Wisconsin has a very broad, open records law with few limits. Quoting the law (Section 19.81(1) of the Wisconsin Statutes (2003–04)): “In recognition of the fact that a representative government is dependent upon an informed electorate, it is declared to be the public policy of this state that all

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Change motivation from unknown to racial hatred as the assailant made his racist views extremely clear on his social media and rap lyrics. The title should be changed to Waukesha Terrorist Attack as it was not an incident which implies the event was natural or of an accidental nature. This attack

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article, and made sure that only high quality sources from respectable neutral sources were used in that article and it's doubly important for a case like this. Sometimes people just grab the first source they come across for a citation and it might be an unreliable source in which case it's just a

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It is implicit that a backlash means there were critics. I'm not sure how adding the word "critics" would clarify. Also implicit is that this is a disputed issue. Nobody would read about a backlash (NPR's word) and think that the world was unanimously of the same opinion. Far from it. The next

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We're not just talking about one occasion. I agree with you mentioning this one WaPo incident is not warranted. I'm advocating for a broad mentioning: "Some media sources have been criticized for supposedly downplaying the severity of the attack" as this statement is supported by the RS I provided.

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Criticism in media of other media is a matter of attributed opinion, and as such it is not required to come from a source considered "reliable for statements of fact". There is no question that WaPo published this claim. The criticism is notable and widespread. Per the WP:RSP chart, the Fox link is

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makes clear that there is a role for balanced, intelligent editors in determining what goes into Knowledge. And, for the record, Brooks' rapping is utterly irrelevant to the incident, as is his high school, mother's name and anything else that is thrown into print to satisfy the 24-hour news cycle.

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There was a question whether or not to capitalize "parade" because it was unclear whether "Christmas Parade" was a proper name or not. The sources appear to be inconsistent. Rather than having to decide that question, it seemed like it would be simpler, and better, to drop "Christmas" altogether.

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It's not that the RS would be making the speculation. It's that it would be commenting on it, and stating that no connection has been made. Many articles that I read about it have a paragraph mentioning the Kenosha verdict and that authorities at this time do not think there is a connection. For

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which makes it sound like there is a universal condemnation of bail reform rather than it coming from certain individuals and organizations. The next sentence then just rehashes that he was out of a 1000 dollar bail, but doesn't explain the significance of it in the context of the debate over bail

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I hadn't noticed that the website title differs from official headline of the article and the article itself does not technically use the word "critics". The article cites the NY Post and "Conservative analysts" who are in fact critical of bail reform so it seems to be splitting hairs in any case.

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If there is some sort of pattern, then maybe. But a single incident? No. And keep in mind that Fox News will publish an article if someone at WaPo/NYT/CNN/MSNBC so much as sneezes, so coverage from them means absolutely nothing in regards to whether an incident of media bias is important enough to

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Point of order - This discussion should continue but please try to clarify with sources, if you support adding Christmas, whether it should by "Waukesha Christmas Parade attack" or "Waukesha Christmas parade attack." In other words, is "Waukesha Christmas Parade" a proper name, or is "Christmas"

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Until we have reliable sources that point out the racial criticisms and the belief Brook is a "Black supremacist" (On a developing issue, mind you), we don't have a reason to use unreliable, bias sources. Kyle Rittenhouse's case on the other hand has completely run its course meaning we have more

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Ok that is fine if that is what people think. It is often difficult to determine what is and is not trivial. I personally don't think there is a connection and thought this would be a way of addressing it. I find it more noteworthy than the paragraph on bail reform or at least similar, but that's

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I started this move request, suggesting removing 2021 from the title. One of the other commenters here suggested removing Christmas from the title as well. I agreed with that, so an admin moved it to the shorter, suggested title which no-one disagreed with until you did after the move. Why do you

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It's ludicrous that something reported in numerous respectable, high-circulation publications that are at least as reliable as the New York Times isn't considered to have enough sourcing. How can that be anything but blatant political bias? Particularly when the facts claimed aren't particularly

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Thanks, no worries. I hope you don't mind me undoing your indentation, either (I wasn't replying to myself ). That title has good views, but probably zero uses outside of Knowledge and its infinite mirrors. I doubt humans are typing it, too. Possibly social media shares or uncorrected pipelinks

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I was wondering if it would be appropriate to include a paragraph in the Aftermath section discussing the widespread speculation that this was an attack related to the Rittenhouse verdict? The paragraph would not be speculating that there was a connection, but would be basically reporting that

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We don't have articles about attacks that don't do significant damage. Most attacks are sudden & unexpected for the victims. The current title doesn't imply that there were multiple attackers, nor that the attack was repelled. Few attacks with single-figure death tolls are commonly known as

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To give you a direct comparison of yesterdays page-views for "2021 Waukesha Christmas parade car rampage" vs "Waukesha parade crash" both of which were redirects on November 27, and correcting for hours accessible, "2021 Waukesha Christmas parade car rampage" had 600 times more page-views than

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I agree too. But how about "Waukesha Parade Massacre"? That conveys that this attack actually did some damage and killed a number of people, the equivalent of a "mass shooting", and also conveys that this was a sudden and unexpected attack on people who did not think they were even threatened.

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This story is no longer rapidly evolving. We should wait for the move review discussion to conclude and then you could propose another move to a better title, now that we have a good view of what happened and there may not be many significant developments until the criminal case resolves.

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Don't let those eight pageviews fool you, either, it was never an automatically viewable page and only became a usable redirect on Saturday morning (or midnightish Friday, Waukesha time), well after the "war on Knowledge" passed the American news spotlight to "Omicron".

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we don't decide what goes into articles, the reliable sources do. In effect they write the articles and we just summarize them. If the AP, which is the gold standard for high quality neutral third party reporting cover it and deem it notable then it should be included.

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Shooting... yea I meant vehicle attack or whatever this is called haha. You might be right that this is politicized, but this is not explicitly political enough for Fox to just not be used, it's not like it's deprecated or even unreliable in political topics anyway.

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Furthermore, the Sherriff's department provided the photo for publication, according to every news source that published it. I'd say, unless you can prove the photo is explicitly excluded by law (it's not), then it's fine to have here. Reverting of

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the proximity (45 miles apart), and the races of the suspect and victims (black and predominantly white, respectively). Law enforcement has not announced any motive for the attack, and Mr. Brooks has provided no explanation for his actions."

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Rittenhouse verdict. That would be better IMO. And get rid of all the reasons/details I put in the original paragraph as unnecessary. But if people don't think it warrants mention then that is fine too. I just wanted to ask the question.

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Trivial news mentions that the events are unrelated do not need to be replicated in the article. This isn't a news site, and no one is going to remember 10 years from now that these two unrelated events were chronologically near each other.

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As of the time I'm typing this, the size of Archive 1 is about 64.5 kB, so if your browser is crashing, so unfortunately I don't think limiting the archive size to 70 kB will fix your issue. Maybe there's an issue with the code on the page

1399:. Who gives a flying fuck about a now-deleted tweet from the Washington Post? Is this information important to give context to the event for people who may be reading this article in the future? Of course not, it's completely unimportant. 1981:

that it is in fact his account. Until then, it shouldn't be in the article. There might be potential to briefly mention "speculation about potential motives" in a few days time when this has been cleared up, but its too soon as-is.

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Even if this were covered by RSs, it's hardly notable. Someone who does the Twitter for WaPo expressed themselves poorly. And? Do you think they were saying the SUV had intentionality and drove itself, the suspect a mere passenger?

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This is an article about the SUV attack, not about media coverage of the SUV attack. Criticism of one media outlet's tweet is too trivial to mention. Six people are dead and you want criticism of a tweet to be added?

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The ABC Chicago is a reprint of a CNN piece and it's probably the most comprehensive and neutral take on this. I added a quote from the prosecutor office that granted his bail, but there's more that could be added.

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A step in the right direction. As for caps, either works. The Waukesha Christmas Parade is simultaneously a proper event and a Christmas parade in Waukesha. If we drop "Christmas", though, lowercase

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But that fact isn't often prominent in media headlines, it happened in Nov, and it's an extra word that's not needed in the title. The current title is clear & concise and has no ambiguity. The

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They deleted it, but there was no retraction. A retraction would involve making a second tweet in response to the first tweet, where the second tweet pointed out the error of the first tweet.

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We could cite Fox News or WaPo to say an officer shot the SUV. That's a fact. But citing either to accuse the other of lying to appease/enrage their Democrat/Republican fanbases/sponsors is

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for recognizability, concision, and precision. More disambiguators (Christmas, 2021, etc) are unnecessary, and those citing pageviews or Google hits don't understand our naming criteria.

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Is his rapping career relevant? For example, Kyle Rittenhouse, I doubt from the off we'd mention his TikTok "4doorsmorewhores"? If he has significant numbers on his Soundcloud, and it's

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I see know BLP concern as long as it's mentioned that it's a Facebook account appearing to belong to Brooks. That would just be making the statement consistent with RS reporting.

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That the bail was criticized as low and the commissioner was reassigned pending an investigation is worth noting in the article. The commissioner's name doesn't rate mention per

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10243585/Woke-Washington-Post-blasted-claim-Waukesha-tragedy-killed-six-caused-SUV.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

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sources, and his race (Cited by reliable sources) is relevant because of the political aspects, given he killed 2 men who were seen by many as Black Lives Matter protesters.

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This confused me for a moment, but it appears that the charges were brought before the sixth victim died? If this is the case, perhaps a footnote can be added to the lead?

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I think mentioning that the media has been criticized for downplaying the attack does warrant a mention in the aftermath section. There are three RS publications on it:

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in fields other than politics. That's as high as it can get and this shooting is not a political issue. Additionally, the Wrap has the same "generally reliable" rating.

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helpful to have a similar paragraph here, stating this is why people are making the natural connection between the two but law enforcement has not found a connection.

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The issue isn't that they deleted the tweet. The issue is that one of the country's most well regarded newspapers falsely blamed six murders on an inanimate object.

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The result of the RfC above was to change to "attack", that's what community consensus and closure said. I would like to motion to change the title with consensus.

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implausible for a black amateur rapper, especially for someone whose murder of a group of people in a Christmas parade otherwise lacks any hint of other motive.

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is what Knowledge calls such events, and a quick search of the news shows that this term has been widely used, suggesting that your idea is at least plausible.

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Waukesha Christmas parade attack, suspected to have been carried out by Darrell E. Brooks on November 21, 2021 at 4:39pm CDT on the corner of Barstow and Main

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Some sources are relating this incident to bail reform, whereas others are saying there is no relation. I think both of these arguments should be included.

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It is bad enough that Knowledge shows the political bias that it does in determining the reliability of sources, without misrepresenting WP:RS entirely.

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I have seen no evidence that any reliable sources have made any such speculation. And no, "The Gateway Pundit" does not count as a reliable source.

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This list of sources ranges from "poor" to "wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole". Even if there were non-garbage sources, there would be issues of

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shooting? But I'd argue this is a political / politicized topic (BLM specifically). Fox is the network that pushed the "War on Christmas" crap too.

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https://www.wxow.com/news/state-news/da-overworked-assistant-set-bail-too-low-for-parade-suspect/article_6f106e06-bc83-5cea-a7ad-f5f323ce2a8a.html

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if you notified anybody at all. You, thus far, are the only editor to oppose dropping Christmas, and you haven't stated a substantial reason why.

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Agree with all of the above. It's a weird take, but it doesn't add anything meaningful to this article, and the criticism is even less germane. —

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Daily Mail, NewsMax, DailyCaller, etc. are all garbage sources that we do not use on Knowledge. Given that this is political, I'd find Fox News

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In this case, all of those so-called "unreliable" sources are telling the truth, and it's actually the "reliable" source that told a falsehood.

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As I am rereading, I realize that I likely misread/misunderstood your question. I defer to others as to an appropriate talk page archive size.

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is the crucial piece of information, not the reason for the parade. Most reasons I've seen for not supporting this move can be countered by

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2021/12/02/suspect-darrell-brooks-waukesha-parade-attack-assessed-pretrial-risk/8822039002/

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/waukesha-christmas-parade-suspect-darrell-brooks-bail-was-set-by-overworked-assistant-milwaukee-da-says

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It appears that a police officer blocking the parade was nearly hit and then a family inside a car was hit when the officer dodged.

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I agree with DropShot244 that this warrants inclusion somewhere in the article, maybe a sentence under accused is the best option.

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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/11/25/washington-post-says-waukesha-massacre-was-caused-by-an-suv-n1536335

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The Independent: "Wisconsin parade: Lawmakers push for bail reform after Darrell Brooks freed days before Christmas parade attack"

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/24/fact-check-waukesha-parade-attack-suspects-bail-set-5-million/8750217002/

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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/injuries-reported-after-suv-plows-into-crowd-at-waukesha-wisconsin-christmas-parade/2690489/

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https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2021/12/13/winter-garden-christmas-parade-cancelled-after-driver-crashes-into-route

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Cedric Cornwall is the person who approved the $ 1,000 bail for Brooks after Brooks tried to run over the mother of his child.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/22/several-injured-after-car-speeds-through-christmas-parade-in-wisconsin-reports

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https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/12/03/commissioner-who-okd-low-bail-waukesha-parade-suspect-reassigned/8857806002/

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Might going with the simplified version, but changing "sparked" to "reignited nationwide", get at what he's trying to say?

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https://www.jsonline.com/story/opinion/2021/12/02/darrell-brooks-jr-case-tragic-mistake-risk-assessment-worked/8827411002/

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https://www.npr.org/2021/11/25/1059019616/theres-a-backlash-brewing-against-bail-reform-after-the-parade-tragedy-in-waukes

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Waukesha Christmas parade attack by Darrell E. Brooks on November 21, 2021 at 4:39pm on the corner of Barstow and Main

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by the equal-but-opposite mainstream reliable source, a fact conveniently not disputed by the sources said to use it.

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I've added a note, it can be removed or adjusted depending on how the charges are mentioned after the sixth is filed.

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https://tennesseestar.com/2021/12/04/wisconsin-commissioner-who-approved-alleged-waukesha-suv-killer-bail-reassigned/

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-waukesha-holiday-parade-crash-was-released-low-bail-human-erro-rcna7515

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https://web.archive.org/web/20211125103116/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/25/us/waukesha-wisconsin-brooks-bail.html

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Sorry, I really dislike this "articles write themselves" approach. It makes WP editors sound like trained monkeys.

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how this has turned in to an AP2 type of article, but that has nothing to do with my objection to what I removed.

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ABC Chicago affiliate: "Behind the prosecutor who acknowledged suspect's low bail before Waukesha parade tragedy"

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Yes, but people are also concerned about precision. Was this a car attack, knife attack, biological attack, etc.

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massacres. Even if your title became the common name, parade & massacre wouldn't begin with capital letters.

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Who said anything about disliking what the Associated press has to say? Go back and re-read my comment, cobber.

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May we limit archive size to 70 kB? I tried to do this on my phone, but it keeps crashing the browser. --

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https://web.archive.org/web/20211125033742/https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1463686399123730443

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Yes, that is correct. A note is a good idea. The sixth charge will likely be formally lodged on Monday.

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I am not inventing my own framing if that's what you're implying, as the description of the article on

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This is how our readers are searching for this article. These are the page views on Knowledge (using

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per Ribbet32. The common name for this event almost invariably includes the term "Christmas" parade—

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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https://abc7chicago.com/waukesha-christmas-parade-wisconsin-crash-darrell-brooks-suspect/11272101/

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We can let the reader do their own thinking. We should follow what the source says, rather than

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I agree - Christmas isn't needed in the title & isn't being used prominently by the media.

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Can we hold off on adding this image until there is evidence that the license is acceptable?

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Media criticism of the Washington Post for saying the Waukesha massacre was “caused by a SUV”

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https://www.wisn.com/article/commissioner-approved-parade-suspects-bail-reassigned/38423894#

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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/washington-post-waukesha-tweet-suv/2021/11/25/id/1046212/

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NPR: "There's a backlash brewing against bail reform after the parade tragedy in Waukesha"

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If there is enough coverage on what happened December 15th during the Christmas parade in

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Obviously sources would have to be provided. Would this fall within Knowledge policies?

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uses this language: "sparking widespread outrage and discussions around bail reform."

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this happens. Same deal as telling people in general they should stop, drop and roll

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Can you provide the best three sources that indicate this speculation is widespread?

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was against a Christmas market, but it doesn't have or need Christmas in its title.

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I didn't implicitly support or oppose anything. Just said the p should be lowercase

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Thanks for letting me know, had no idea that was still ongoing. Withdrawn for now.

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https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/25/washington-post-waukesha-parade-darrell-brooks/

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to warrant an article, should we list that in a see also due to it's similarity?

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Lots of media reports of this incident as it may or may not relate to bail reform

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Should you close out the vote and note it's closed at the top of the section?

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have anything to say about that interpretation of their comments. Cheerio,

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https://www.yahoo.com/now/washington-post-deletes-tweet-saying-165938063.html

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Paragraph or sentence mentioning no known connection to Rittenhouse verdict?

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2021 Waukesha Christmas parade car rampage (redirect page) ‎ (links | edit)

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abqmn/waukesha-darrell-brooks-bail-reform

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Title should be changed to "2021 Waukesha Christmas parade car attack"

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What is being said here, is that when one really "dislikes" what the

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was intentional and had a purpose of inciting terror aka terrorism.

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reform or that critics were saying that Brooks' bail was too low.

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If the method is to be included in the title, SUV would be better.

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Its probably not needed especially since its not Christmas yet.

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the act of attacking with physical force or unfriendly words

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We have to be vague and complex. Anyone else see the point?

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cannot be used. Who will be the first to codify that as a

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That media file is still missing evidence of permission (

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Christmas parade attack (redirect page) ‎ (links | edit)

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We might want to shift the focus to content additions.

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Set the 3619: 3237:2021 Waukesha attack → 284 2689:The page was proposed for 1653:says "Longtime critics". 3243:Waukesha parade crash → 8 2803:the first three explicit 1616:inventing our own framing 598:- Year is not needed per 387:Six victims, five charges 3587:Please do not modify it. 3107:Waukesha parade attack ( 2920:2016 Berlin truck attack 2682:Please do not modify it. 2638:Please do not modify it. 2451:Please do not modify it. 2324:Mugshot copyright status 1403:it could be included in 894:Please do not modify it. 482:Please do not modify it. 3566:- I filed a request at 3155:Waukesha County Website 2737:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 2520:vehicle-ramming attacks 2033:Killing of Gabby Petito 1940:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 1844:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 1512:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 1482:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 1353:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 1321:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 1306:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 931:Here are some sources: 623:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 161:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 115:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 101:Iamreallygoodatcheckers 3520:Waukesha parade attack 3488:Waukesha parade attack 3422:meets the criteria at 3420:Waukesha parade attack 3374:Waukesha parade attack 3357:Waukesha parade attack 3270:as explicitly verified 2857:Waukesha parade attack 2524:2016 Nice truck attack 2494:Waukesha parade attack 2465:withdrawn by nominator 2394:Winter Garden, Florida 2177:Waukesha parade attack 1640: 661:Waukesha parade attack 461:overturn and moved to 3547:ScottishFinnishRadish 3262:Waukesha parade crash 3153:of the event per the 2805:and the last implicit 2568:WikiProject Wisconsin 2330:ScottishFinnishRadish 2241:ScottishFinnishRadish 1666:to definitively say: 1634: 42:of past discussions. 2225:for this alteration 193:Biographical details 128:Re the closing, see 3603:Closed move reviews 2859:. 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Let's see if 2655:In light of the 2618: 2577: 2574: 2565: 2557: 2554: 2545: 2501: 2472: 2453: 2238: 2217: 2216: 2186: 2182: 2168: 2167: 2161: 2111: 2058: 2053: 2006: 1987: 1961: 1956: 1927: 1922: 1912:Facebook profile 1554:use these words. 1552:insists we must 1397:WP:NOTEVERYTHING 1339: 1336: 1333: 1330: 1324: 1285: 1282: 1279: 1276: 1111: 1108: 1105: 1102: 1002: 999: 996: 993: 587: 580: 484: 449: 448: 442: 346: 243:Associated Press 223:WP:NOTEVERYTHING 199:Associated Press 78: 56: 55: 33: 32: 26: 3618: 3617: 3613: 3612: 3611: 3609: 3608: 3607: 3593: 3592: 3591: 3590: 3530: 3454: 3452: 3020: 2998:Christmas creep 2968: 2961: 2794: 2785: 2777: 2769: 2742: 2734: 2726: 2718: 2710: 2702: 2686: 2677: 2676: 2675: 2652: 2647: 2642: 2641: 2612: 2588:Oppose for now 2575: 2572: 2555: 2552: 2497: 2449: 2439: 2390: 2326: 2257: 2232: 2214: 2184: 2180: 2165: 2159: 2107: 2056: 2002: 1983: 1959: 1925: 1914: 1860: 1704: 1547: 1431: 1337: 1334: 1331: 1328: 1318: 1298:WP:QUESTIONABLE 1283: 1280: 1277: 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