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without further evidence. The ngram does not show what you claim. Also, you have to account for spelling variants, such as Ung Khan and
Toghril (and more). I see lots of results in contemporary academic English sources for variants of Toghrul and Ong Khan. The biggest problem with the current title
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It seems that there's very little info on this page... someone should read The Secret
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I felt the need to narrow it down, because there are other individuals named
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Tooril Khan was the blood-brother to Yesügei, Temüjin's father. In 'The Secret
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Toghrul Khan, which isn't the title of this page? Wang/Ong/Ung Khan is a title, while Toghrul/Toghril/(etc.) is a name. Disambiguating his name by his title—e.g., "Toghrul (Wang Khan)"—might be a good compromise.
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