Talk:Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness/Archive 1

287:"The depth of strategy of the game was found to be immense and evolved over time. Many of the newly invented tactics were considered unorthodox and "cheap", meaning the tactic reduced the enjoyability of the game. New players (newbies, newbs, or noobs) were able to defeat well established players by using cheap tatics. But for every cheap tactic, subsequent countermeasures were developed and matches eventually played out like complicated games of rock, paper, scissors. What was once considered cheap, eventually became routine, and established players were forced to adapt. Examples of cheap tactics include grunt rushing (rushing), barracks first (rax first), offensive barracksing (raxing), offensive towering (ot), peon rushing, and rushing to bloodlust." 453:

this section. Take note that the cleanup tag was placed before the story section was added. I think we should also look at the list of buildings and units and revise those sections. I don't think it should contain mere lists of units. Worth mentioning would be things like the balanced units, every Alliance unit has an exact counterpart in the Horde with the notable exception being the spellcasts (Mage and Death Knight) and the spells used by the Paladin/Ogre-Mage.--

31: 2022:, that's fine. But you're splitting the history between two pages, and that absolutely must be resolved. I am currently awaiting a merge of the talk page. Once that is fixed, we can discuss the correct title. Or don't discuss it and just move it. I don't care at all which title this article has. But either way, the technical process of moving the page must be done correctly to preserve revision history. 1284:. If a single unit is clicked on several times in a row, his or her voice samples change from regular to longer, emotional ones. He or she may start getting angry at the player, or quote lines in reference to movies or games. For example, a footman would say, "don't you have a kingdom to run?" or "are you 548:

Alright, the move has been made by now, thank the admins. I also drastically cut the section about buildings, it read more like a manual listing all the buildings and what they do. Story, unit and building sections have been done. Any more opinions on more cleanup that should be done? Once we are all

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I completely removed the story section, the content seems to be copied straight from a source. It was way too long anyway. I replaced it with a brief summary of the game's story in my own words from my own experience of playing the game as well as reading novels and such. I also removed the images in

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The release dates are all messed up. In the infobox PC (DOS) and Mac were released in 95 (US) and 96 (EU) and the Console Versions (Saturn and PlayStation) in 97. But the first sentence states that the PC Version was released in 95 and the Mac one in 96. The development section repeats that. But the

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is a redirect. This should be the other way around. But since Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness exists already we can't simply move the page. Copying the information and talk page to the redirect doesn't transfer edit history, which could be relevant and one would have to go to the redirect to look for

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First, the word noob shouldn't be used in an encyclopedia. That should be obvious. Second, grunt rushing and rushing to bloodlust are THE two bread and butter strategies of the game. If you consider those cheap, every single game of War2 is cheap because you no longer have bread and butter ground

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Call me skeptical, but I think the whole "Conversions" section is a bit apocryphal. I admit that I'm not big into the mod scene, but I never heard about any of this stuff. I don't doubt that it really existed, but I doubt that it's notable enough the have an entire section in the article. I think we

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Sine my cd is broken and cdkey is being used on a bot can somone be so kind as to update the activity of online play as of 2007? Because i went to war2 usa 1 and there was nobody there. This would be truly sad if this game is dead because i used to play nonstop online at one point in time. thank you

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even has its own article right now. Most games are later sold as collections, and those collections are called by a different name. Sometimes they are released in various collections with totally different names. And when they release the games on a different system, they might change the name a

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here at Knowledge to allow the database to keep track of mergers and other stuff that templates handle. I have replaced the shoddy custom message at the top of the two pages with templates, as they should have. So, other than that, I have nothing more to contribute to the discussion. Place me under

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The default, I think, though, should be a merge, and see if you can dig up more reception in favor of keeping the expansion separate. It seems to me though that, we could split some of the coverage up from the other releases between these two, as it doesn't seem to me like the coverage isn't always

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I disagree with the assertion that the several versions would need separate articles, as the several versions don't have much reception for themselves (as you've duly noted). However, I'm hesitant to comment for the other side, because I have a special place in my heart for Warcraft (and would like

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or the original demo is inserted into a CD player, the orchestrated music from the game can be played. In addition, there is a bonus 13th track called "I'm a Medieval Man" which features remixed sound bites from the first game. The track is also available in-game by typing "disco" as a cheat. (This

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The Battlenet edition has a small paragraph within this article. I do agree that the name should be changed to Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness and make Warcraft II a redirect to that one, not the other way around. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness is the original full title of the game. The Battle.net

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What doesn't belong in that section, at least as it stands, are the references to Stratagus. It improperly defines Stratagus as a "total conversion," which is far from accurate. Stratagus originally written as a Warcraft *clone*, and has nothing to do with the mod scene at all. The claim that it

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There we're a lot of modifications in Warcraft 2. There was Weapons of Our Warfare, made by Cameron Butchshard or something, there was Funcraft, and a mod that would attempt to make it like LOTR, a mot that would make Warcraft to Starcraft, a mod that would make warcraft to starwars, a lot of them

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It appears this article has been heavily edited recently, and requires cleanup. I've found numerous spelling and gramatical errors. Source checks and accuracy checks appear to be in order as well. Also some of the added pictures should be moved so that they arent covering text or creating empty

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The script that was used in the book positioned in the background screen while the player was informed about mission objectives is the Cyrillic alphabet, but the language in which it is written is English. The text contains a small section of a game story text, mentioning how the Orcish hordes

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was an "important revolution" is bogus; note it as a clone, not as an important conversion. Bos Wars simply doesn't belong on the page at all. It's irrelevant to the topic (it's an obscure offshoot of Stratagus) and the blurb on the Warcraft II page just comes off as a shameless advertisement.

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I'd say that the current issue is quality. Most decently written game articles give expansions a seperate page (if you really want, I could easily dig up numerous examples) as it allows for better organization and separation of information. The argument appears to be that the games are not

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Shouldn't the main article be found at Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness with Warcraft II being a redirect? Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness is the full title of the game. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and Warcraft: Orcs & Humans are found at the correct full title, why not Warcraft II?

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This sentence is causing some contention in the article. It was first removed by an IP editor, then restored by a registered user. I agreed with the IP, so removed it again. There has now been a flip-flop between the two states, and no attempt at discussion - so here we go:

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Yep, I think you're right. I'd say none of them are stubs, but I don't know. I'll unmark this article at stub, but it would not have been a problem at all if you had done it :) By the way, make sure to sign your posts (typing ~~~~ in the end). Welcome to Knowledge!

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I'm not currently logged on, I can't recall my password, but I was reading through the Story section and noticed that it was all in past tense. I know that this is incorrect, because when discussing a story/book/movie, the present tense always needs to be used.

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for the Footman and Grunt units, and were mostly indignations to purchase the full version. In a pre-release version sent to magazines for reviews, these quotations included samples like "I love your publication!" or "Remember: A good review... for Warcraft 2."

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As requested, I've read through the entire Warcraft II text, and cannot find any claim that WC3 has surpassed the popularity & sales of Starcraft. In the edit summary, I ask where this claim is, and get no helpful response. I've also checked the

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development sections states that the Console Versions were released in 96 instead of 97. Maybe that's all mixed up because of different dates for US and EU? I don't know which dates are true, so I won't change it and hope someone here can fix it. --

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I agree. Conversions (or mods) have their place in this article, sure. It was/is a notable part of the Warcraft 2 experience. And hey, isn't an encyclopedia entry supposed to a bit more than just a rewording of the blurb on the game box? ~Anonymous

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This is NOT based on original Warcraft 2 sources (which remains closed source), but can run "something like the original game" with the original Warcraft 2 data files - however, in my opinion, this should NOT be considered a port of Warcraft 2.

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I could find no single reliable reference to confirm the Linux version exists. I believe it does, Blizzard promised a Linux release in 2013, game database sites list this game as a 2013 release, but wikipedia should show a reference.

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edition was merely a rerelease with the expansion combined. Also Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition already redirects to this page to that section. Anyone looking for the b.net edition is automatically forwarded to the right place.--

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as an example of minimal changes in the expansion the products have seperate pages. I agree that the quality of the Beyond the Dark Portal article is low but I'd say that a merger of the articles would be against common form.

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I don't see why they can't be merged. Lots of game articles have sequals in the same article. Not to mention that the sequal article is rather short as it is. If there were more information, then merging would be more of a

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and play the game on different platforms and with additional features like queuing unit production, finding idle workers, an improved AI and network connectivity for up to 16 players. In addition to being compatible with

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could sum it all up as, "Many utilities were developed by fans to alter and change WarCraft II assets. Many mods were developed," or some such thing. I just really don't think they were that notable. Anyone else? —

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There never was (and likely never will be) an official AmigaOS4 version (AmigaOS4 final version (previous versions were meant for developers only) was released in 2006, so would be quite old game to license)

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sufficiently different in gameplay to require seperate articles and if that's the case, are there other articles for similar games and expansions which are the merged for that reason? In fact, I'd point to

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satisfied I think we can remove the clean-up text. Most 'manual material' is gone, story section has been drastically shortened (though it was written after the tag was placed). Anything else? --

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about both games at the same time. Of course, you're working with the sourcing moreso, so that's your call. Go with what you wanna' do; I think this is a case where silence is tacit approval. --

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about both games at the same time. Of course, you're working with the sourcing moreso, so that's your call. Go with what you wanna' do; I think this is a case where silence is tacit approval. --

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Games are called by the full name that they were released by. This includes the many games which have expansion packs, as most games made in the past 15 years or so have. The expansion pack

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The mods section is a mess, and we need a {{warcraft}} template for related articles instead of all those seealsos. But we're looking a lot better, and I think the tag can go. Many thanks.

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uses the original War2 units/sounds but it uses Stratagus instead of the Warcraft 2 engine.) Thus, writing a completely different game became possible and that game lives on today as

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old versions. Should we nominate the redirect for deletion so we can move the article or ask as an admin to swap the pages or what? I'm not sure what the procedure is for this.--

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bit, but that doesn't matter either. The long accepted standard throughout the English language Knowledge has been to call the game by the name it was released by in English.

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We don't have articles for different versions of the same game. And anyone getting confused and searching for the wrong thing will hit a redirect to the proper article.

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There is no way WC2 surpassed SC's success. SC survived over 10 years and WC2 died out when WC3 came out. There are people that still play SC competitively on Iccup.com

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I was wondering if we should put a list of cheat codes not just on this page but on all of the Warcraft and Starcraft series games.I have lists for some of the games.

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I've begun a section on online play. War2 was a pretty significant step forward for online competitive gaming, and it would be nice to document some of what went on.

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Keeping and enhancing WP's name for reliability and useful info. A fragmented set of info will be become inconsistent, and some cases will have no or poor citations.

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The next important breakthrough came when Alexander Cech and Lemberg broke the encryption used in the base game data files. Cech went on to create a program called

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was an unusual game for the time because a large number of third-party utilities were written for it. Among the first things, Daniel Lemberg reverse-engineered the

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Heh. Where do we even begin? The TMI in the intro and the copyvio in the story section are the first glaring problems, but the whole thing is going to be fun.

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Section "Statement by Philcha (proposer)" explains why the proposer believers the merger would be beneficial. Contributors may add statements after this.

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Section "Statement by Philcha (proposer)" explains why the proposer believers the merger would be beneficial. Contributors may add statements after this.

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to obtain all unit upgrades for free. Also, in StarCraft, if one clicks on an observer while playing as the Protoss, a clip of the song will be played.

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is your best source for information. As it says they have moved to a another server. Or you could check War2 Ladder Challenges on bnet, I don't know.

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Cheapness is about as subjective and unencyclopedic a subject as it gets in competitive gameplay and I didn't believe much of that was salvagable.

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Alternatively, there are TONS of other, currently unlisted platforms, that Stratagus is also ported to, should they be added as well? ~Anonymous

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Thanks for working on this :) The article's already looking quite a bit better, although "better than really bad" isn't much of an accolade.

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This seems more like a trivia section. Why would the ability to make critters explode by clicking on them be considered a "feature"?

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Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness for PC Downloads - Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness Downloads - Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness Demos

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there was a second expansion that was released in a package containing the original and beyond the dark portal.

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I been playing warcraft II on my Vista OS for a while and have no troubles. Is there a source for this claim?--

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I didn't notice this was on the talk page, but I've already moved that quotation to the WC3 article :)

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on how to a merge from A and B into C, and will add merge templates when this question is resolved. --

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None of Blizzard's products have official Linux support. This should be removed from the sidebar.

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however gives you the status 'Cheater' when you finish that mission.) "Medieval Man" is also a

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Shocked not to find it, I created a wikiquote for Warcraft 2 and linked to it. < /geek : -->

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units. I have never seen an offensive barracksing, or at least never seen one that succeeded.

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The music was truncated so the game would fit on one CD. Can someone add that to the article?

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is absolutely pathetic, and unfair to those who surf in for a read. Would anyone object if I

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I have both the originial and expansion in 1 package (a good deal!) That's one reason for

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Did it really take just one year to produce? This Gamespot article said it did.

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This notes that the following discussion were moved from Tides of Darkness.

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