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a structured database into a web site based on that data, while the latter is about providing uniform layout and styles to a collection of documents (which may happen to be stored in a database, but are not otherwise database-like). An example of a catalog publishing system in current use is the module pages at , an example of a content management system is Knowledge (XXG) itself.
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someone reading up on current web page generation technology, this page provides only confusion and semi-nonsense too far removed from reality to be of any value. Furthermore the article does not link to an alternative real-world article on the subject, even if such an article might exist somewhere.
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A static site generator is not an editor and does not include an editor; it is an application that generates (the files of) the website from a description in some other (often generator-specific) format. Editing the source files and using the generator are two separate things. This format may or may
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The article and drawings seem to confuse what used to be called "catalog web publishing systems" with what is nowadays commonly called "content management systems" both of which categories includes template-based subcategories. The main distinction is that the former kind of system is about turning
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Right on! I did spend time with the archived discussion that I referenced and I appreciate your work, as well as the enthusiasm of nearly all the contributors. I just thought that after the talk page was archived, it was important to put something in the new talk page, so I made a modest attempt,
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Display personal information or daily activities as in a blog Sell products online Display information about a company or organization Display family history Display a gallery of photos Place music files such as MP3 files on-line for play through a web browser Place videos online
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Someone should repair all those Embedded complex language links. Most of them do not point to the same target nor the Target exists. I didn't find any further explanation of what Embedded complex language means at all. (sorry, english is not my favorite language...) 11:14, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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This article on a technology subject has apparently fallen under the spell of a project focused on philosophical metathinking about "Systems" (an all-encompassing vague word). This has caused the article to become borderline useless for those of us with a practical interest in the subject. For
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There is a long history to these "articles." Much of it needs to be removed, much needs to be cited, and some of it has actually been both cited and checked by people informed on the subject matter. I don't disagree with your "merge and trim" suggestion one bit; but please don't assume you have
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but rather, to a WEB PAGE that is generated by a Template pertained in the article. The template described in the article for example DO NOT "sell products online" or "display a gallery of photo". It is the web page generated by such template that provide any such text functionality
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Web page editors such as FrontPage and DreamWeaver interactively let their users create websites directly, without a separate site generation process. When using some templating, they will do a bit of static site generation under the hood; but generators they aren't.
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article. I'm not sure what is meant by "embedded programmable language" anyway; IMHO it is no programming language at all; if "programable language" was written on purpos, it must be explained, which doesn't seem to me to be the case at the linked location.
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even suggests putting original research in "supplementary pages" where are simply other wikipedia articles. That isn't what wikipedia is for. I would suggest merging some of the articles together and cutting out the stuff that isn't referencable.
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The article uses terminology from "Systems science" rather than the slightly different terminology used by practitioners in the field. This makes the article hard to read and difficult to accurately understand and
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as these are separate topics that should stay separate. Tag for verifiability if necessary but it seems we have consensus and there are certainly supporting references out there.
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not look like HTML pages with some templating syntax thrown in, so the connection with this article is tenuous. Examples: Hugo, Jekyll, Gatsby; some more are listed
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Nothing seems to have been improved in in the last 3 years. Still no references. I do not even think the title of this article has a verifiable source.
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in it and represents an attempt to formalize a nomenclature for a set of technologies that are still in enormous evolution and flux themselves. The
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item good candidate, because a "client side templating ENGINE" (with server-side inputs and temmplates) runs in a "distributed fashion".
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The systems categorized as "Outside server systems" at a minimum need to be split into 2 main categories: author-side systems (such as
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NOTE: Cursory reading of the items provided in the enumeration will readily tell any reader they do not pertain to a
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with
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before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template
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stumbled upon an enclave of ignorance where people do not know what Knowledge (XXG) is for.
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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
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https://web.archive.org/20121204081204/http://www.phpwact.org:80/pattern/template_view
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your suggestions are on the mark, but also not new. These "articles" have required
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http://www.phpwact.org/pattern/template_view#separating_html_from_programming_code
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More specifically, some major issues with the content of this article are:
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after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add
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a lot of work and energy even to get them in the state they are in now
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discusses WYSIWYG HTML editors instead. The two should be separated.
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The lists of specific technologies lack some obvious entries such as
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This entire "series" of templating articles appears to have a lot of
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I had requested that the "supplemental" O-R content be moved to the
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to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
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with a reference, for others that just stumbled across it. --
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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the
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Good point. Thanks for doing that, it makes a lot of sense.
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These are long discontinued - why is this not indicated?
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for public viewing Set up a private login area online"
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I have just added archive links to one external link on
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Separately discuss static site generators and editors
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