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a structured database into a web site based on that data, while the latter is about providing uniform layout and styles to a collection of documents (which may happen to be stored in a database, but are not otherwise database-like). An example of a catalog publishing system in current use is the module pages at , an example of a content management system is
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someone reading up on current web page generation technology, this page provides only confusion and semi-nonsense too far removed from reality to be of any value. Furthermore the article does not link to an alternative real-world article on the subject, even if such an article might exist somewhere.
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The article and drawings seem to confuse what used to be called "catalog web publishing systems" with what is nowadays commonly called "content management systems" both of which categories includes template-based subcategories. The main distinction is that the former kind of system is about turning
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Right on! I did spend time with the archived discussion that I referenced and I appreciate your work, as well as the enthusiasm of nearly all the contributors. I just thought that after the talk page was archived, it was important to put something in the new talk page, so I made a modest attempt,
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This article on a technology subject has apparently fallen under the spell of a project focused on philosophical metathinking about "Systems" (an all-encompassing vague word). This has caused the article to become borderline useless for those of us with a practical interest in the subject. For
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There is a long history to these "articles." Much of it needs to be removed, much needs to be cited, and some of it has actually been both cited and checked by people informed on the subject matter. I don't disagree with your "merge and trim" suggestion one bit; but please don't assume you have
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article. I'm not sure what is meant by "embedded programmable language" anyway; IMHO it is no programming language at all; if "programable language" was written on purpos, it must be explained, which doesn't seem to me to be the case at the linked location.
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even suggests putting original research in "supplementary pages" where are simply other wikipedia articles. That isn't what wikipedia is for. I would suggest merging some of the articles together and cutting out the stuff that isn't referencable.
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The article uses terminology from "Systems science" rather than the slightly different terminology used by practitioners in the field. This makes the article hard to read and difficult to accurately understand and
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