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Ukrainian nationalism under Austrian rule was neither very xenophobic nor aggressive. It was anti-Polish, which was understandable, but not antisemtic." The statement "generally neither xenophobic nor antisemtic" accurately described "not very xenophobic" and "not antisemitic." I do not want to plagiarize the newspaper article by copying it word-for-word. BTW, the person interviewed is not just "a Ukrainian interviewed" but a history professor at the European University in Budapest, and the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv whose book earned the book f the year prize in Ukraine in 2006. Funny how you object when editors' nationality is mentioned but are so quick to seemingly just label a guy "the Ukrainian interviewed."
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Partacz – Wojna polsko-ukraińska o Lwów i Galicję Wschodnią 1918-1919 Przemyskie Zapiski Historyczne – Studia i materiały poświęcone historii Polski Południowo-Wschodniej. 2006-09 R. XVI-XVII ? His Polish wiki states he is a member of the Defense Committee of the Good
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Another source: Spór o Galicję Wschodnią 1914-1923 Ludwik
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can be translated as either 'a nation' or 'a people', which are pretty close synonyms in English. In this sense, I don't know if one is better than another. But both of my general Ukrainian history books (Subtelny and Magocsi, cited above) use "West Ukrainian National Republic", and
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