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FWIW I did mention this (granted, in less specific detail) up above as a new section under "Cleanup may be needed". But since we're here, my primary concern is that the link you provided serves as an instance of the quote being used, but does not establish that anyone considered this particular usage
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Wow! At first, I only saw the "no man had gone before", but your quote has the "go" and "bold", too! My opinion is that this should be allowed under the No
Original Research rules. No Original Research does not refer to the method by which you found this quote. It refer to conclusions which are drawn
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In the article, footnotes 4, 5, 6, and 7 are split into two lines, the first containing nothing but the "^" symbol, and the second line containing the rest of the reference, but beginning with a square. This is wrong. I suspect that the problem lies in the Wiki programming somewhere. There appears to
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Would the origin of the rest of the opening narration be on-topic for this page? There are a number of memos regarding its creation flying around in August 1966 (some of the interim versions were, um, interesting). Was amused to see : "Space: Endless. Silent. Waiting", one of the proposals, pops up
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Apparently the title "outside the series" was supposed to suggest "outside the in-universe perspective." Since a
Knowledge article should always be factual, I changed this to just ""History." I am still not thrilled with that title, but I think it best represents what a Knowledge reader should expect
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This quote is from Star Trek, and this page is mostly important in a Star Trek context. Given this, shouldn't the section explaining the quote in Star Trek come first? I mean, the origins of the quote are of course important, but most people will want to learn why the quote is so commonly used today
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My pointing out of OSE was only to note, as I pointed out in the section I added, that I believe the "clumsy reference" you noted as well as others in this section should perhaps be reexamined as well. That there may be a clumsy reference already in the article should not be used as a justification
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leaflet rather than that he invented it, we are talking about a coincidence. The TSR article is simply a suggestion for an "origin of the quote" and does not provide anything beyond speculation. On the basis of that article, you can't state that the leaflet is the origin of the quote, only that it
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It is not a given that it is speculation. As of July 20, 2008, the book itself was cited. That is use of a primary source, NOT original research. It is cited for 1) that a passage is in the book, and 2) publication date. No interpretation is being made. NOR does not require us to be blind to
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Oh goody, I'm glad this came up somewhere. Text after a colon starts with a capital when the text is a complete sentence. When it's not a complete sentence (and you may need to know a bit of grammar for that, if intuition doesn't serve), it's not capitalized. This is pretty standard. Cheers! –
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of the quote significant in any manner. I would be much happier with an independent reference that makes note of
Pratchett's usage of the quote. Put another way, I see that the tree fell in the woods, but I don't see any suggestion that it made a sound when it fell.
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I see the problem as being that the description of the backstory does not adequately describe what is fiction. A wikipedia article should be written entirely from a factual perspective. I have tried cleaning it up to avoid the in-universe
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Given that the "origin of the quote" outside the TV series and any link with its use in the series appears to be speculation (unless
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Presenting this here because I feel I better shouldn't just add it to the article without further inquiry, as mentioning World of
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I can't see a valid reason to delete so many editors' contributions. This article needs those information to be informative. I've reverted the article to its original version pending a community consensus in the talk page.
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I just saw the latest film, and did they change the grammatically challenged "boldly go" to "go boldly" in the opening? I thought that's what I heard, but I'm not sure.
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we can do that, but if not then I will stick with my original recommendation that all entries lacking third-party sourcing establishing their significance be removed.
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The quote has also been used as a reference in 20th century christianity. There was a book in the late 1980's called "To Boldly Go" by evangelist Eric Delve.
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