Knowledge (XXG)

Talk:White savior narrative in film

Source 📝

896: 1030:. Perhaps an article that examines deviations, perversions or inversion of the White Saviour narrative would be a start you could expand into separate articles and look at similar narratives in other film cultures. Another popular variation is also the white journalist or observer, but also voyeur and sensationalist who uses the backdrop of horror and suffering of post-colonial and other regional, ethnic conflicts to explore and discover his own humanity or lack of it, before returning to his life in the real world to tell his story to an indifferent society preoccupied with its own problems: 1128:"The savior may not be literally "white" per se, but the savior may be emblematic of someone from a white culture "saving" someone from an ethnic minority culture." Yeah, Wolf Warrior II is a perfect example of this. The hero in that movie is Chinese, but it's nationalistic tone (Chinese people saving Africans from oppressive whites) is reminiscent of 80s action movies with the virtuous white hero saving an ethnic minority culture. Even the television show Room 222 has white savior tropes even though the main teacher is actually Black! 563: 542: 930: 668: 647: 573: 375: 357: 326: 235: 385: 474: 453: 265: 861: 738: 1109:
for example, which was one of the film Ninhursag3 removed. The film is controversial in some respects, and was called out for a scene in which the Kevin Costner character ends restroom segregation for the women. In real-life this appearently didn't happen; the black women achieved this themselves by
1096:
I also think Ninhursag3 has taken an unnecessarily narrow, very literal view of what a white savior narrative is. A "white savior narrative" is precisely that: a narrative. Many are allegorical, with alien cultures taking the place of colonial or ethnic minority cultures. The savior may not be
960:
You could argue there's a case for an inverted trope that shows the White man as a nihilistic wrecker or well-meaning, but ignorant disruptor and destroyer who thinks he's helping the natives, but is only making things worse, driven by his misguided, arrogant sense of mission and belief in his
1062:
also has many narrative devices of the White Saviour genre although he's rescuing a group of white miners from a local landowner. I would also include Witness starring Harrison Ford as well, substituting the Amish for PoC or indigenous community.
295: 285: 1013:
You could argue there's a subgenre where the black man or native is in effect an honorary white man because he's adopted White norms and behaviours that White audiences can identify with him as one of them. A good example would be
912: 1110:
insisting that they should be allowed to use the same facilities as their white counterparts. The "toilet dash" was an important part of the film's dramatic impetus, and this is why it was branded as being a "white savior" film.
153: 1071:
feels like a white savior film with Gene Hackman's well-educated, "city slicker" character uplifting a bunch of "small town hicks" (if you replace the hicks with Blacks, it would EASILY fall under the white savior trope).
1093:. There are a number of problems with Ninhursag3's approach here. The main one is that he believes it is editorial prerogative to disagree with sources and edit accordingly: none of us have that prerogative. 305: 524: 1105:
fall into this group. The other problem is that being based on real events does not necessarily many the film does not conform to white savior tropes. All films are made from a perspective. To take
147: 821: 44: 769: 794: 784: 226: 799: 789: 718: 1183: 514: 1067:
too has elements of the white savior narrative even though the person that Sister Helen Prejean is trying to save is white. Hell, even the great basketball movie
1208: 708: 834: 222: 218: 214: 210: 206: 202: 198: 194: 190: 629: 79: 1188: 490: 1213: 1178: 1097:
literally "white" per se, but the savior may be emblematic of someone from a white culture "saving" someone from an ethnic minority culture. Films such as
684: 1203: 1198: 779: 619: 683:, nationalities, and other cultural identities on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join 830: 85: 595: 481: 458: 1193: 1218: 742: 675: 652: 1047: 168: 135: 30: 1143: 1129: 1173: 586: 547: 403: 99: 1168: 104: 20: 1113:
In article such as these—with all Knowledge (XXG) articles really—it is better to assume we do not know better than the sources.
990: 889: 885: 129: 74: 1015: 337: 24: 65: 125: 415: 407: 881: 411: 398: 362: 900: 271: 175: 234: 185: 109: 1035: 245: 970: 343: 1147: 1133: 1002: 978: 141: 1039: 986: 756: 55: 1118: 1051: 594:
on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
489:
on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
70: 1114: 939: 1142:
Coach Carter and Lean On Me too have white savior tropes despite the main character not being white.
1043: 264: 161: 250: 929: 562: 541: 51: 1151: 1137: 1122: 1064: 247: 944: 1081: 1031: 974: 810: 249: 982: 966: 578: 486: 1162: 1055: 962: 1027: 1019: 998: 994: 680: 667: 646: 935:
The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:
402:. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can 1009:
Possible deviations and variations and subgenres like the Black (white) saviour?
390: 1059: 1023: 572: 568: 380: 374: 356: 776:
Articles about ethnic groups that currently have issues needing resolution:
591: 274:. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination: 770:
Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups
1068: 679:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles relating to 419: 737: 473: 452: 904: 1084:
started removing films based on real-life events with these edits:
940:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhiteMansBurden#folder4
804: 924: 855: 319: 259: 251: 15: 859: 1026:(2018 South Korean film, not the Christian Bale movie) and 822:
Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Ethnic groups/Article requests
945:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MightyWhitey
1091: 1088: 1085: 956:
What about the Inverted Trope - the "White Wrecker" ?
160: 888:. Please replace this template with a more specific 795:
Category:Ethnic groups articles needing reassessment
785:
Category:Ethnic groups articles needing merge action
590:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 485:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 174: 800:Category:Ethnic groups articles needing attention 790:Category:Ethnic groups articles needing infoboxes 33:for general discussion of the article's subject. 1080:I have restored this list to how it was before 418:. To improve this article, please refer to the 766:of articles within the scope of this project. 8: 780:Category:Unassessed Ethnic groups articles 726: 641: 536: 499:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Discrimination 447: 414:. To use this banner, please refer to the 351: 325: 323: 903:may be able to locate suitable images on 693:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Ethnic groups 643: 538: 449: 353: 1184:Low-importance Discrimination articles 1209:Low-importance Ethnic groups articles 730:WikiProject Ethnic groups open tasks: 604:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Sociology 7: 673:This article is within the scope of 584:This article is within the scope of 479:This article is within the scope of 396:This article is within the scope of 1189:WikiProject Discrimination articles 1076:Removal of films based on real life 502:Template:WikiProject Discrimination 342:It is of interest to the following 23:for discussing improvements to the 1214:WikiProject Ethnic groups articles 1179:List-Class Discrimination articles 696:Template:WikiProject Ethnic groups 14: 1204:List-Class Ethnic groups articles 1199:Low-importance sociology articles 901:Openverse Creative Commons Search 50:New to Knowledge (XXG)? Welcome! 1219:Knowledge (XXG) requested images 928: 736: 666: 645: 571: 561: 540: 472: 451: 428:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Film 412:regional and topical task forces 383: 373: 355: 324: 263: 233: 45:Click here to start a new topic. 713:This article has been rated as 624:This article has been rated as 519:This article has been rated as 270:This article was nominated for 1048:The Year of Living Dangerously 1005:have elements of both tropes. 878:White savior narrative in film 607:Template:WikiProject Sociology 25:White savior narrative in film 1: 1194:List-Class sociology articles 687:and see a list of open tasks. 598:and see a list of open tasks. 493:and see a list of open tasks. 42:Put new text under old text. 1152:03:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC) 1138:03:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC) 1123:18:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC) 1235: 719:project's importance scale 630:project's importance scale 482:WikiProject Discrimination 1174:WikiProject Film articles 743:WikiProject Ethnic groups 725: 712: 676:WikiProject Ethnic groups 661: 623: 556: 518: 467: 431:Template:WikiProject Film 368: 350: 80:Be welcoming to newcomers 1169:List-Class film articles 1016:In the Heat of the Night 868:It is requested that an 304:, 20 December 2014, see 505:Discrimination articles 997:. Some of these films 897:Free Image Search Tool 890:media request template 864: 699:Ethnic groups articles 332:This article is rated 284:, 12 August 2016, see 75:avoid personal attacks 1052:Last King of Scotland 863: 587:WikiProject Sociology 336:on Knowledge (XXG)'s 227:Auto-archiving period 100:Neutral point of view 991:Last of the Mohicans 907:and other web sites. 294:, 15 June 2016, see 105:No original research 1058:. Clint Eastwood's 886:improve its quality 884:in this article to 835:discuss these tasks 741:Here are some open 404:join the discussion 1036:The Killing Fields 865: 818:Start an article: 610:sociology articles 338:content assessment 86:dispute resolution 47: 971:The Ugly American 953: 952: 921: 920: 908: 854: 853: 850: 849: 846: 845: 842: 841: 640: 639: 636: 635: 535: 534: 531: 530: 446: 445: 442: 441: 406:and see lists of 318: 317: 314: 313: 258: 257: 66:Assume good faith 43: 1226: 1065:Dead Man Walking 932: 925: 917: 915: 894: 892:where possible. 862: 856: 764:on the talk page 761: 755: 740: 727: 701: 700: 697: 694: 691: 670: 663: 662: 657: 649: 642: 612: 611: 608: 605: 602: 581: 576: 575: 565: 558: 557: 552: 544: 537: 525:importance scale 507: 506: 503: 500: 497: 476: 469: 468: 463: 455: 448: 436: 435: 432: 429: 426: 399:WikiProject Film 393: 388: 387: 386: 377: 370: 369: 359: 352: 335: 329: 328: 327: 320: 276: 275: 267: 260: 252: 238: 237: 228: 179: 178: 164: 95:Article policies 16: 1234: 1233: 1229: 1228: 1227: 1225: 1224: 1223: 1159: 1158: 1078: 1011: 987:The Dogs of War 975:Dark of the Sun 958: 913: 911: 860: 811:Peruvian people 759: 753: 698: 695: 692: 689: 688: 655: 609: 606: 603: 600: 599: 577: 570: 550: 504: 501: 498: 495: 494: 461: 433: 430: 427: 424: 423: 389: 384: 382: 333: 254: 253: 248: 225: 121: 116: 115: 114: 91: 61: 12: 11: 5: 1232: 1230: 1222: 1221: 1216: 1211: 1206: 1201: 1196: 1191: 1186: 1181: 1176: 1171: 1161: 1160: 1157: 1156: 1155: 1154: 1107:Hidden Figures 1077: 1074: 1010: 1007: 983:The Wild Bunch 967:Apocalypse Now 957: 954: 951: 950: 949: 948: 947: 942: 936: 933: 919: 918: 909: 893: 866: 852: 851: 848: 847: 844: 843: 840: 839: 831:edit this list 827: 826: 825: 824: 816: 815: 814: 807: 802: 797: 792: 787: 782: 774: 773: 772: 767: 732: 731: 723: 722: 715:Low-importance 711: 705: 704: 702: 685:the discussion 671: 659: 658: 656:Low‑importance 650: 638: 637: 634: 633: 626:Low-importance 622: 616: 615: 613: 596:the discussion 583: 582: 579:Society portal 566: 554: 553: 551:Low‑importance 545: 533: 532: 529: 528: 521:Low-importance 517: 511: 510: 508: 496:Discrimination 491:the discussion 487:Discrimination 477: 465: 464: 462:Low‑importance 459:Discrimination 456: 444: 443: 440: 439: 437: 395: 394: 378: 366: 365: 360: 348: 347: 341: 330: 316: 315: 312: 311: 310: 309: 299: 289: 268: 256: 255: 246: 244: 243: 240: 239: 181: 180: 118: 117: 113: 112: 107: 102: 93: 92: 90: 89: 82: 77: 68: 62: 60: 59: 48: 39: 38: 35: 34: 28: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 1231: 1220: 1217: 1215: 1212: 1210: 1207: 1205: 1202: 1200: 1197: 1195: 1192: 1190: 1187: 1185: 1182: 1180: 1177: 1175: 1172: 1170: 1167: 1166: 1164: 1153: 1149: 1145: 1144:173.71.122.33 1141: 1140: 1139: 1135: 1131: 1130:173.71.122.33 1127: 1126: 1125: 1124: 1120: 1116: 1111: 1108: 1104: 1100: 1094: 1092: 1089: 1086: 1083: 1075: 1073: 1070: 1066: 1061: 1057: 1056:A Taxi Driver 1053: 1049: 1045: 1041: 1037: 1033: 1029: 1025: 1021: 1017: 1008: 1006: 1004: 1000: 996: 992: 988: 984: 980: 976: 972: 968: 964: 963:The Searchers 961:superiority: 955: 946: 943: 941: 938: 937: 934: 931: 927: 926: 923: 916: 910: 906: 902: 898: 891: 887: 883: 879: 875: 871: 867: 858: 857: 838: 836: 832: 829:Feel free to 823: 820: 819: 817: 813: 812: 808: 806: 803: 801: 798: 796: 793: 791: 788: 786: 783: 781: 778: 777: 775: 771: 768: 765: 758: 757:Ethnic groups 751: 750: 748: 747: 746: 744: 739: 734: 733: 729: 728: 724: 720: 716: 710: 707: 706: 703: 690:Ethnic groups 686: 682: 681:ethnic groups 678: 677: 672: 669: 665: 664: 660: 654: 653:Ethnic groups 651: 648: 644: 631: 627: 621: 618: 617: 614: 597: 593: 589: 588: 580: 574: 569: 567: 564: 560: 559: 555: 549: 546: 543: 539: 526: 522: 516: 513: 512: 509: 492: 488: 484: 483: 478: 475: 471: 470: 466: 460: 457: 454: 450: 438: 434:film articles 421: 417: 416:documentation 413: 409: 405: 401: 400: 392: 381: 379: 376: 372: 371: 367: 364: 361: 358: 354: 349: 345: 339: 331: 322: 321: 307: 303: 300: 297: 293: 290: 287: 283: 280: 279: 278: 277: 273: 269: 266: 262: 261: 242: 241: 236: 232: 224: 220: 216: 212: 208: 204: 200: 196: 192: 189: 187: 183: 182: 177: 173: 170: 167: 163: 159: 155: 152: 149: 146: 143: 140: 137: 134: 131: 127: 124: 123:Find sources: 120: 119: 111: 110:Verifiability 108: 106: 103: 101: 98: 97: 96: 87: 83: 81: 78: 76: 72: 69: 67: 64: 63: 57: 53: 52:Learn to edit 49: 46: 41: 40: 37: 36: 32: 26: 22: 18: 17: 1112: 1106: 1102: 1098: 1095: 1079: 1028:Thunderheart 1020:Hotel Rwanda 1012: 999:Thunderheart 995:Thunderheart 959: 922: 877: 873: 869: 828: 809: 763: 749:Meta-tasks: 735: 714: 674: 625: 585: 520: 480: 397: 344:WikiProjects 301: 291: 281: 230: 184: 171: 165: 157: 150: 144: 138: 132: 122: 94: 19:This is the 1115:Betty Logan 1003:The Mission 979:The Mission 391:Film portal 148:free images 31:not a forum 1163:Categories 1103:The Matrix 1082:Ninhursag3 1060:Pale Rider 1040:Under Fire 1024:Swing Kids 874:photograph 752:Place the 420:guidelines 408:open tasks 334:List-class 306:discussion 296:discussion 286:discussion 762:template 601:Sociology 592:sociology 548:Sociology 88:if needed 71:Be polite 21:talk page 1069:Hoosiers 1044:Deadline 1032:Salvador 882:included 272:deletion 231:180 days 186:Archives 56:get help 29:This is 27:article. 745:tasks: 717:on the 628:on the 523:on the 154:WP refs 142:scholar 1099:Avatar 914:Upload 905:Flickr 340:scale. 126:Google 870:image 169:JSTOR 130:books 84:Seek 1148:talk 1134:talk 1119:talk 1101:and 1001:and 895:The 805:Iyer 425:Film 410:and 363:Film 302:keep 292:keep 282:keep 162:FENS 136:news 73:and 1022:or 1018:or 899:or 880:be 876:of 872:or 833:or 709:Low 620:Low 515:Low 176:TWL 1165:: 1150:) 1136:) 1121:) 1090:, 1087:, 1054:| 1050:| 1046:| 1042:| 1038:| 1034:| 993:| 989:| 985:| 981:| 977:| 973:| 969:| 965:| 837:. 760:}} 754:{{ 229:: 221:, 217:, 213:, 209:, 205:, 201:, 197:, 193:, 156:) 54:; 1146:( 1132:( 1117:( 721:. 632:. 527:. 422:. 346:: 308:. 298:. 288:. 223:9 219:8 215:7 211:6 207:5 203:4 199:3 195:2 191:1 188:: 172:· 166:· 158:· 151:· 145:· 139:· 133:· 128:( 58:.

Index

talk page
White savior narrative in film
not a forum
Click here to start a new topic.
Learn to edit
get help
Assume good faith
Be polite
avoid personal attacks
Be welcoming to newcomers
dispute resolution
Neutral point of view
No original research
Verifiability
Google
books
news
scholar
free images
WP refs
FENS
JSTOR
TWL
Archives
1
2
3
4
5
6

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.