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I don't think it's a problem the way this currently is. The first time that the article mentions John Tee-Van is in the seventh paragraph of the "Galápagos expedition" section, where it says that he's Beebe's assistant. So if someone is reading this article from beginning to end, they will already
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I definitely intend to use your mother’s photograph in the article—as I said, I’ll probably be using it in the section that talks about his work at Simla. Since I haven’t written that section yet, though, I guess I can leave this photograph at the top of the article for now. After I’ve written the
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I know that the current structure of the article is difficult to understand, because I’m right in the middle of rewriting it, and there are several major sections I’m intending it to have that I haven’t added at all yet. This is why I have the “under construction” template there. But before people
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I changed the citations for Beebe's books to have the word "company" capitalized in the publisher information for all three of them, and I'd already changed the title of Rudder's book to be capitalized in the same way as the other books. Is the references section acceptable the way I have it now?
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Hi again! Unfortunately, so far I have only been able to find one more old photo of Dr. Beebe (we used to have many - I will have another search through old albums when I visit my mother and sister in
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Wow, thanks for the prompt research. Yes, I think this is all of real relevance and Beebe certainly deserves credit! I don't have access to on-line journals like many university students and staff do - so I really appreciate everything you are digging up. If you can get hold of the info for free -
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Yes, please! This is indeed notable and gives some idea of how far ahead of his time Beebe really was. If you can access the Nature article for the passage referring to Beebe, could you please quote it here for us all to read. Thank you so much for bringing this up - I think it will make a really
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If I replace John Hill's image with this one, I don't intend to remove his image from the article permanently. After I've finished writing the summary of the rest of Beebe's life, I intend to add images related to each part of his life to the relevant parts of the article, and I'll probably be
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I am hoping to get this article up to FA status eventually, but it should be a GA first. I've followed most of your suggestions, but there was one that I disagreed with (about John Tee-Van), and there was also one (converting units to metric) that I wasn't sure how to do properly.
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