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I initially opened a discussion about a year ago on this issue (see above), but only
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so that they'd behave as footnotes. Both cited the work of Mote, but it appears to me the second should instead cite Kurtz, whose work is listed in the "References" section. I'm not familiar with either author, so I'm not making that change, but I hope somebody with access those books will do so.
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does translate literally to to Ma Chu. The (Ten
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I think the article name of "Wu (Ten Kingdoms)" is a bit bulky. Would there be any objections if I moved it to
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