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see some reference to the manipulation of data to fit the preconceived "conclusion" that secondhand smoke is harmful, which is the biggest fraud perpetrated on health care consumers since a Los Alamos scientist said that radiation poisoning results in "a pleasant death." How about we try for some real balance in this article?
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discuss a central aspect of a larger subject: politics. Where as litigation discusses judiciary aspect, while lobby discusses legislative interest. Because of this, the two can be combined to provide a larger more complete
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