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79.179.124.95 should be the final arbiter of truth on this subject, and who are you anyway to edit what he wrote? He's some random IP address somewhere and he SAYS he's unbaised and that's good enough for me, why do you people always have to nitpick about "neutrality" and "factual criticisms", can't you see you're making someone on the internet upset? So upset that he doesn't just leave, he ANNOUNCES that he's leaving! Only people who are Really
Important announce they're leaving, so this guy MUST be really important! Someone track this guy down and tell him to come back, wikipedia desperately needs more giant egos to get into pointless edit wars about unpopular copy protection schemes! P.S. if anyone deletes this edit I will TOTALLY write an angry comment about leaving. Possibly several times, in case the first one doesn't make you feel enough remorse, though I can hardly see how it couldn't. I'll make a separate heading and everything, in case you guys want to discuss it for a while or something. Don't worry, I won't actually leave, I'll obsessively come back and check on it just to make sure you're really sorry.
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protection). Omitting this information is tantamount to protecting the vendor's commercial interests, which is absolutely non-neutral. The comparison against open source here is a straw argument, a copy protection system can be made open source, but vendors choose not to because obscurity is the backbone of these systems... and that fact is another valid criticism of these systems. See
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I disagree. I have written this article almost from the ground up, 99% of the modifications and additions to it are mine - and I can tell you that there is no advertising in this. I am in no-way affiliated with TAGES SA, as you could also check my IP ranges - they're all
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it are those whose paychecks depend on it. But I wonder what it's like to be such a person, who gets paid as a professional to write this software, and is then defeated by people who get paid nothing to do it in their own free time. Personally, if I were in such a position, I'd make angry posts on
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It is your choice whether to believe me or not. Try this current IP instead. You just can not stand opinions which are in favour of your feared DRM. Right? and I did not even express any opinion here. What about my mentioning of a working emulator and a bug within a device driver? slanted? When I
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Seriously, can't you see that everyone should just agree with him? What is this thing, some sort of exercise in socialism or something? This guy wrote this article 27 years ago in a single titanic act of transcendent Truth and all you morons clearly don't know what you're talking about, so Mr.
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edited the StarForce article to remove bias, people cried foul. Same thing here. Perhaps wikipedia really is an experiment in anarchy. BTW, Ruud, why don't you participate in this debate, adding dispute marks to pages is something you're good at, but as to explaining your behaviour, are you not?
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Israeli - while TAGES SA is a French company. I just find the software security industry interesting, that is it. Advertisement? please prove so before bringing up baseless speculations.
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a French company. I just like to state facts professionally. You could see that no information was concealed, and I have mentioned some problems with the protection. Do you have any knowledge on this protection system to confirm or refute anything I wrote? //Anonymous author.
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behaviour. Reworded to make clear. For what it's worth, tages claim on their webpage not to do blacklisting of emulator products; I'm not qualified to determine the truthfulness of that (or whether it only applies to their new products and not old ones, or whatever)
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Tages is incompatible with at least the version of windows I'm running (win7 home premium 64bit). I installed a game and windows displayed a warning every startup about an incompatible driver being disabled to ensure system stability, even after I uninstalled it.
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