Knowledge (XXG)

Talk:Tamils

Source đź“ť

1395:- a 2012 source. "TTo our knowledge, there is no scientific review of Minahan's work which evaluates the reliability and validity of the information Minahan presents in his articles. Although Francis Fukuyama (1996) published a very short review of Minahan's early edition of his encyclopedia, it does not give much information about the reliability of the book. Many scholars writing on nationalism started referring to this encyclopedia as a primary source, yet these studies do not provide an evaluation of the work as well...We do not claim the comprehensiveness of the database we compiled. On the contrary we realize that there are many factual errors and inconsistencies in Minahan's encyclopedia. Furthermore based on our reliability analysis, we were not able to validate the information regarding some of these "stateless nations". Of course absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, yet for our purposes we did not add the stateless nations we could not validate into our analysis. However we believe that this encyclopedia can be utilized for a macro-analysis which attempts to understand the differences among diverse nationalist movements from all over the world." 580: 269: 891: 870: 979: 1020: 292: 681: 660: 901: 556: 634: 478: 433: 464: 1304:“They argued that the Portuguese have done wrong things, so they shouldn’t be commemorated. Meanwhile, I got the permission from the council and went to Paris to speak in that conference . It was organized by the Gulbenkian Foundation. While I was away, Susantha started writing that I am a traitor, I am participating in these people’s conferences, etc. He circulated letters.” 604: 402: 488: 457: 214: 1322:
a husband and wife having common involvement - the Bayleys might be another example of such. Note: I am not saying you are wrong, merely that there are a lot of aspersions cast in this troubled area & it would be good to have independent support for your statement that the RASSL journal should not be considered reliable from some unspecified date.
751: 1095:. Da Silva absolutely roasted that work in a long review, and even Indrapala admitted he had completely changed his mind in the years since he originally studied the subject for his PhD. The intervening period saw the rise of Tamil nationalism & Da Silva suggests this accounts for Indrapala's change of heart. 1321:
I have fixed your indents again. You haven't really addressed the problem, as neither tamilnet nor Darshanie Ratnawalli are independent of the Tamil community. I don't know who was on the journal's peer review board at the time of the de Silva paper being approved but I see absolutely no problem with
1136:
I've re-read Bandu De Silva 'roasting', Its frankly embarrassing. He is denying the clear overwhelming evidence of a early iron age Dravidian substratum in Sri Lanka, which recent unbiased Sinhalese scholars such as Sudharshan Seneviratne have uncovered. A good summary of those findings can be found
1119:
Da Silva is not a historian but a diplomat, and is an unreliable, heavily biased source. He even makes a crazy claim that the Koneswaram Kovil, which we have huge evidence for in inscriptions and literature, was actually a Buddhist temple. Really his words can not be taken seriously. Certainly not
1441:
No not all presently scholars identify this as brahmi inscription. Some identify this as Tamil Brahmi inscription. You first read the article you mentioned, out of 5 scholars, 3 identify it as Tamil brahmi. So your statement is not correct that presently scholars identify this as brahmi not Tamil
1164:
I have no idea about de Silva's expertise but his paper is recent and published in a reliable, peer-reviewed academic journal & so cannot reasonably be ignored. Nor can we ignore Indrapala's change of heart, if indeed it is a change of heart. We don't usually get to pick and choose in these
1217:. Do you have any actual evidence of this, & I mean from independent sources. Academics should have picked up on it. (Please can you try to get your indents right? This is the 3rd time I have had to fix them here and it is a pain on mobile.) - 1373:
Ratnawalli is right in the middle of the Tamil/Sinhalese situation - it really needs someone from outside of it - the same applies with academic credibility disputes that involve, say, Jewish Zionists and those Jews who are opposed to it. -
1145:
Indrapala merely reiterated these findings in his new book. Unfortunately, Sri Lankan Archaeology and History departments are heavily biased, so all evidence of prior Dravidian habitation on the island is being erased from the history
1481: 282: 1187:
The Sri Lankan branch of RAS is no longer reliable and has poor peer review. It is run by Sinhalese anti-Tamil racists (I am not going to mince my words). Unfortunately, it brings disrepute to the RAS brand.
177: 1104:
is the review. I am not for now suggesting we don't use it as a source but it does look like we may need to take care. I have seen a couple of other, lesser reviews that are pretty dismissive, too. -
1476: 1301:
Professor Paranavithana tells me. I ask him about his forced exit from the RASSL allegedly over his treacherous willingness to commemorate Portuguese imperialism in SL in the early 16th century."
1531: 353: 298: 834: 1511: 1576: 1466: 782: 1426:(2) Dias, M. (2021). The South Indian ascendancy depicted in the Tamil inscriptions in Sri Lanka from the 3rd century BCE to 12th century ACE. Ancient Ceylon. No.27. pp.43-58. -- 334: 807: 797: 372: 1496: 1299:“They were not interested in making the journal academic. Their political interests were put into the journal. Most of the writers were chosen from their inner circle,” 812: 802: 731: 1526: 594: 1551: 721: 1424:(1) Falk, H. (2014). Owners’ Graffiti on Pottery from Tissamaharama. Zeitschrift für Archäologie Aussereuropäischer Kulturen. Wiesbaden: Reichert Verlag. pp.45-94 1471: 171: 847: 957: 103: 1566: 1556: 1506: 1231:
Well when the last two presidents of the organisation (a married couple) make incendiary statements like this, to expect neutrality from them is laughable:
947: 570: 697: 792: 456: 696:, nationalities, and other cultural identities on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join 1521: 546: 1516: 843: 589: 447: 109: 1571: 1546: 1536: 1491: 536: 923: 755: 688: 665: 278: 1501: 54: 1275: 1561: 1541: 565: 443: 914: 875: 623: 123: 1404: 128: 44: 1419: 268: 98: 1486: 987: 413: 612: 68: 511: 501: 438: 89: 1001: 251: 1074: 247: 192: 1393: 291: 159: 579: 281:. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check 133: 1033: 1053: 993: 1418:
Presently scholars identify this as a Brahmi inscription and not a Tamil Brahmi Inscription. Read the article
419: 1307:
Most of the journals from south asia are substandard unfortunately and in many cases overtly politicised.
769: 997: 990:
has been authorised by the community for pages related to South Asian social groups, including this page.
255: 79: 1400: 1044: 1040: 1036: 922:
on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
153: 1276:
http://www.dailymirror.lk/article/Royal-Asiatic-Society-Sri-Lanka-needs-women-and-diversity-153808.html
94: 1443: 401: 1447: 185: 149: 1098: 1059: 1431: 1344: 1312: 1192: 1151: 1125: 199: 75: 1252: 1396: 1379: 1327: 1222: 1170: 1109: 1055: 1019: 978: 906: 890: 869: 1214: 823: 222: 1460: 165: 1427: 1340: 1308: 1188: 1147: 1121: 693: 680: 659: 617: 493: 17: 1375: 1323: 1218: 1166: 1105: 1138: 896: 555: 483: 919: 789:
Articles about ethnic groups that currently have issues needing resolution:
633: 603: 477: 432: 246:) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other 213: 783:
Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups
692:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles relating to 1101: 463: 750: 48: 509:-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the 1057: 506: 817: 1060: 1013: 973: 395: 208: 39: 26: 1451: 1435: 1408: 1383: 1348: 1331: 1316: 1226: 1196: 1174: 1155: 1129: 1113: 632: 602: 578: 554: 1482:
Featured articles that have appeared on the main page once
1253:
https://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=28217
992:
Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the
835:
Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Ethnic groups/Article requests
297:
This article appeared on Knowledge (XXG)'s Main Page as
365: 346: 327: 505:, which aims to improve Knowledge (XXG)'s coverage of 184: 1477:
Featured articles that have appeared on the main page
918:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 808:
Category:Ethnic groups articles needing reassessment
798:
Category:Ethnic groups articles needing merge action
198: 1532:B-Class Classical Tamil articles of Top-importance 813:Category:Ethnic groups articles needing attention 803:Category:Ethnic groups articles needing infoboxes 1577:Knowledge (XXG) articles under general sanctions 1467:Knowledge (XXG) articles that use Indian English 57:for general discussion of the article's subject. 1512:B-Class Tamil Nadu articles of Top-importance 1213:In that case, it may need to be discussed at 1068:This page has archives. Sections older than 779:of articles within the scope of this project. 8: 1139:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBV9xNQDA8w 864: 793:Category:Unassessed Ethnic groups articles 739: 654: 427: 306: 263: 226:, which has its own spelling conventions ( 1497:B-Class India articles of High-importance 706:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Ethnic groups 1472:Knowledge (XXG) former featured articles 627:as a high quality India-related article. 1527:Top-importance Classical Tamil articles 1370:. You haven't got them right once here. 866: 656: 429: 399: 1552:High-importance Ethnic groups articles 1414:Tissamaharama Tamil Brahmi inscription 1078:when more than 3 sections are present. 932:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Sri Lanka 743:WikiProject Ethnic groups open tasks: 254:, this should not be changed without 7: 912:This article is within the scope of 686:This article is within the scope of 499:This article is within the scope of 47:for discussing improvements to the 1567:High-importance Sri Lanka articles 1557:WikiProject Ethnic groups articles 1507:Top-importance Tamil Nadu articles 709:Template:WikiProject Ethnic groups 641:This article was last assessed in 25: 1072:may be automatically archived by 521:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject India 74:New to Knowledge (XXG)? Welcome! 1522:B-Class Classical Tamil articles 1420:Tissamaharama inscription No. 53 1018: 977: 899: 889: 868: 749: 679: 658: 486: 476: 462: 455: 431: 400: 290: 267: 212: 69:Click here to start a new topic. 1517:WikiProject Tamil Nadu articles 1093:Evolution of an Ethnic Identity 952:This article has been rated as 726:This article has been rated as 541:This article has been rated as 1572:WikiProject Sri Lanka articles 1547:B-Class Ethnic groups articles 1537:India portal selected articles 1492:High-importance India articles 935:Template:WikiProject Sri Lanka 418:It is of interest to multiple 1: 1409:17:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC) 1384:12:23, 28 February 2021 (UTC) 1349:21:42, 27 February 2021 (UTC) 1332:21:27, 27 February 2021 (UTC) 1317:19:11, 27 February 2021 (UTC) 1227:15:06, 27 February 2021 (UTC) 1197:12:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC) 1175:11:19, 27 February 2021 (UTC) 1156:20:19, 26 February 2021 (UTC) 1130:19:57, 26 February 2021 (UTC) 1114:22:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC) 926:and see a list of open tasks. 700:and see a list of open tasks. 590:the Classical Tamil workgroup 587:This article is supported by 563:This article is supported by 66:Put new text under old text. 1452:06:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC) 988:contentious topics procedure 1502:B-Class Tamil Nadu articles 1593: 1562:B-Class Sri Lanka articles 1542:WikiProject India articles 1336:Darshanie Ratnawalli is a 994:purpose of Knowledge (XXG) 958:project's importance scale 732:project's importance scale 621:, which means that it was 547:project's importance scale 524:Template:WikiProject India 335:Featured article candidate 951: 884: 756:WikiProject Ethnic groups 738: 725: 689:WikiProject Ethnic groups 674: 640: 610: 586: 562: 540: 471: 426: 386: 309: 305: 285:) and why it was removed. 104:Be welcoming to newcomers 33:Skip to table of contents 1436:17:25, 9 July 2023 (UTC) 1002:normal editorial process 299:Today's featured article 32: 1091:We cite K. Indrapala's 389:Former featured article 373:Featured article review 354:Featured article review 279:former featured article 1487:B-Class India articles 1087:Indrapala source query 1075:Lowercase sigmabot III 998:standards of behaviour 712:Ethnic groups articles 637: 607: 583: 566:WikiProject Tamil Nadu 559: 408:This article is rated 301:on September 24, 2005. 283:the nomination archive 99:avoid personal attacks 915:WikiProject Sri Lanka 636: 606: 582: 558: 412:on Knowledge (XXG)'s 124:Neutral point of view 252:relevant style guide 248:varieties of English 129:No original research 1366:Fixed your indents 848:discuss these tasks 754:Here are some open 250:. According to the 1004:may be sanctioned. 991: 938:Sri Lanka articles 831:Start an article: 638: 611:This article is a 608: 584: 560: 414:content assessment 310:Article milestones 110:dispute resolution 71: 1165:circumstances. - 1082: 1081: 1009: 1008: 985: 972: 971: 968: 967: 964: 963: 863: 862: 859: 858: 855: 854: 653: 652: 649: 648: 502:WikiProject India 394: 393: 382: 381: 366:December 29, 2015 262: 261: 207: 206: 90:Assume good faith 67: 38: 37: 18:Talk:Tamil people 16:(Redirected from 1584: 1120:above Indrapala. 1077: 1061: 1022: 1014: 981: 974: 940: 939: 936: 933: 930: 909: 907:Sri Lanka portal 904: 903: 902: 893: 886: 885: 880: 872: 865: 777:on the talk page 774: 768: 753: 740: 714: 713: 710: 707: 704: 683: 676: 675: 670: 662: 655: 613:selected article 529: 528: 525: 522: 519: 496: 491: 490: 489: 480: 473: 472: 467: 466: 465: 460: 459: 458: 453: 450: 435: 428: 411: 405: 404: 396: 387:Current status: 368: 349: 330: 307: 294: 271: 264: 219:This article is 216: 209: 203: 202: 188: 119:Article policies 40: 27: 21: 1592: 1591: 1587: 1586: 1585: 1583: 1582: 1581: 1457: 1456: 1416: 1391: 1089: 1073: 1062: 1056: 1027: 996:, any expected 986:The use of the 954:High-importance 937: 934: 931: 928: 927: 905: 900: 898: 879:High‑importance 878: 824:Peruvian people 772: 766: 728:High-importance 711: 708: 705: 702: 701: 669:High‑importance 668: 543:High-importance 526: 523: 520: 517: 516: 492: 487: 485: 461: 454: 452:High‑importance 451: 448:Classical Tamil 441: 409: 364: 347:January 7, 2007 345: 326: 256:broad consensus 145: 140: 139: 138: 115: 85: 23: 22: 15: 12: 11: 5: 1590: 1588: 1580: 1579: 1574: 1569: 1564: 1559: 1554: 1549: 1544: 1539: 1534: 1529: 1524: 1519: 1514: 1509: 1504: 1499: 1494: 1489: 1484: 1479: 1474: 1469: 1459: 1458: 1455: 1454: 1425: 1423: 1415: 1412: 1390: 1387: 1364: 1363: 1362: 1361: 1360: 1359: 1358: 1357: 1356: 1355: 1354: 1353: 1352: 1351: 1305: 1302: 1287: 1286: 1285: 1284: 1283: 1282: 1281: 1280: 1279: 1278: 1264: 1263: 1262: 1261: 1260: 1259: 1258: 1257: 1256: 1255: 1241: 1240: 1239: 1238: 1237: 1236: 1235: 1234: 1233: 1232: 1204: 1203: 1202: 1201: 1200: 1199: 1180: 1179: 1178: 1177: 1159: 1158: 1142: 1141: 1133: 1132: 1088: 1085: 1080: 1079: 1067: 1064: 1063: 1058: 1054: 1052: 1049: 1048: 1029: 1028: 1023: 1017: 1011: 1007: 1006: 982: 970: 969: 966: 965: 962: 961: 950: 944: 943: 941: 924:the discussion 911: 910: 894: 882: 881: 873: 861: 860: 857: 856: 853: 852: 844:edit this list 840: 839: 838: 837: 829: 828: 827: 820: 815: 810: 805: 800: 795: 787: 786: 785: 780: 745: 744: 736: 735: 724: 718: 717: 715: 698:the discussion 684: 672: 671: 663: 651: 650: 647: 646: 639: 629: 628: 609: 599: 598: 595:Top-importance 585: 575: 574: 571:Top-importance 561: 551: 550: 539: 533: 532: 530: 527:India articles 498: 497: 481: 469: 468: 436: 424: 423: 417: 406: 392: 391: 384: 383: 380: 379: 376: 369: 361: 360: 357: 350: 342: 341: 338: 331: 323: 322: 319: 316: 312: 311: 303: 302: 295: 287: 286: 272: 260: 259: 223:Indian English 217: 205: 204: 142: 141: 137: 136: 131: 126: 117: 116: 114: 113: 106: 101: 92: 86: 84: 83: 72: 63: 62: 59: 58: 52: 36: 35: 30: 24: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 1589: 1578: 1575: 1573: 1570: 1568: 1565: 1563: 1560: 1558: 1555: 1553: 1550: 1548: 1545: 1543: 1540: 1538: 1535: 1533: 1530: 1528: 1525: 1523: 1520: 1518: 1515: 1513: 1510: 1508: 1505: 1503: 1500: 1498: 1495: 1493: 1490: 1488: 1485: 1483: 1480: 1478: 1475: 1473: 1470: 1468: 1465: 1464: 1462: 1453: 1449: 1445: 1440: 1439: 1438: 1437: 1433: 1429: 1421: 1413: 1411: 1410: 1406: 1402: 1398: 1394: 1389:Minahan redux 1388: 1386: 1385: 1381: 1377: 1371: 1369: 1350: 1346: 1342: 1339: 1335: 1334: 1333: 1329: 1325: 1320: 1319: 1318: 1314: 1310: 1306: 1303: 1300: 1297: 1296: 1295: 1294: 1293: 1292: 1291: 1290: 1289: 1288: 1277: 1274: 1273: 1272: 1271: 1270: 1269: 1268: 1267: 1266: 1265: 1254: 1251: 1250: 1249: 1248: 1247: 1246: 1245: 1244: 1243: 1242: 1230: 1229: 1228: 1224: 1220: 1216: 1212: 1211: 1210: 1209: 1208: 1207: 1206: 1205: 1198: 1194: 1190: 1186: 1185: 1184: 1183: 1182: 1181: 1176: 1172: 1168: 1163: 1162: 1161: 1160: 1157: 1153: 1149: 1144: 1143: 1140: 1135: 1134: 1131: 1127: 1123: 1118: 1117: 1116: 1115: 1111: 1107: 1103: 1100: 1096: 1094: 1086: 1084: 1076: 1071: 1066: 1065: 1051: 1050: 1047: 1046: 1042: 1038: 1035: 1031: 1030: 1026: 1021: 1016: 1015: 1012: 1005: 1003: 999: 995: 989: 983: 980: 976: 975: 959: 955: 949: 946: 945: 942: 925: 921: 917: 916: 908: 897: 895: 892: 888: 887: 883: 877: 874: 871: 867: 851: 849: 845: 842:Feel free to 836: 833: 832: 830: 826: 825: 821: 819: 816: 814: 811: 809: 806: 804: 801: 799: 796: 794: 791: 790: 788: 784: 781: 778: 771: 770:Ethnic groups 764: 763: 761: 760: 759: 757: 752: 747: 746: 742: 741: 737: 733: 729: 723: 720: 719: 716: 703:Ethnic groups 699: 695: 694:ethnic groups 691: 690: 685: 682: 678: 677: 673: 667: 666:Ethnic groups 664: 661: 657: 644: 643:February 2019 635: 631: 630: 626: 625: 620: 619: 614: 605: 601: 600: 596: 593:(assessed as 592: 591: 581: 577: 576: 572: 569:(assessed as 568: 567: 557: 553: 552: 548: 544: 538: 535: 534: 531: 514: 513: 508: 504: 503: 495: 484: 482: 479: 475: 474: 470: 449: 445: 440: 437: 434: 430: 425: 421: 415: 407: 403: 398: 397: 390: 385: 377: 375: 374: 370: 367: 363: 362: 358: 356: 355: 351: 348: 344: 343: 339: 337: 336: 332: 329: 325: 324: 320: 317: 314: 313: 308: 304: 300: 296: 293: 289: 288: 284: 280: 276: 273: 270: 266: 265: 257: 253: 249: 245: 241: 237: 233: 229: 225: 224: 218: 215: 211: 210: 201: 197: 194: 191: 187: 183: 179: 176: 173: 170: 167: 164: 161: 158: 155: 151: 148: 147:Find sources: 144: 143: 135: 134:Verifiability 132: 130: 127: 125: 122: 121: 120: 111: 107: 105: 102: 100: 96: 93: 91: 88: 87: 81: 77: 76:Learn to edit 73: 70: 65: 64: 61: 60: 56: 50: 46: 42: 41: 34: 31: 29: 28: 19: 1417: 1392: 1372: 1367: 1365: 1337: 1298: 1097: 1092: 1090: 1083: 1069: 1032: 1024: 1010: 984: 953: 913: 841: 822: 776: 762:Meta-tasks: 748: 727: 687: 642: 622: 618:India portal 616: 588: 564: 542: 512:project page 510: 500: 494:India portal 420:WikiProjects 388: 371: 352: 333: 328:May 25, 2005 274: 243: 239: 235: 231: 227: 220: 195: 189: 181: 174: 168: 162: 156: 146: 118: 43:This is the 1422:. Sources: 1397:Doug Weller 221:written in 172:free images 55:not a forum 1461:Categories 1338:SINHALESE. 765:Place the 444:Tamil Nadu 1444:Ranithraj 1368:yet again 1000:, or any 929:Sri Lanka 920:Sri Lanka 876:Sri Lanka 775:template 232:travelled 112:if needed 95:Be polite 45:talk page 1442:brahmi. 1405:contribs 1102:43855217 1025:Archives 624:selected 340:Promoted 240:analysed 80:get help 53:This is 51:article. 1428:L Manju 1341:Metta79 1309:Metta79 1189:Metta79 1148:Metta79 1122:Metta79 1070:30 days 956:on the 758:tasks: 730:on the 615:on the 545:on the 410:B-class 378:Demoted 318:Process 244:defence 178:WP refs 166:scholar 1376:Sitush 1324:Sitush 1219:Sitush 1215:WP:RSN 1167:Sitush 1146:books. 1137:here: 1106:Sitush 416:scale. 321:Result 275:Tamils 236:centre 228:colour 150:Google 49:Tamils 1099:JSTOR 1034:Index 518:India 507:India 439:India 277:is a 193:JSTOR 154:books 108:Seek 1448:talk 1432:talk 1401:talk 1380:talk 1345:talk 1328:talk 1313:talk 1223:talk 1193:talk 1171:talk 1152:talk 1126:talk 1110:talk 948:High 818:Iyer 722:High 537:High 359:Kept 315:Date 186:FENS 160:news 97:and 846:or 200:TWL 1463:: 1450:) 1434:) 1407:) 1403:• 1382:) 1347:) 1330:) 1315:) 1225:) 1195:) 1173:) 1154:) 1128:) 1112:) 1043:, 1039:, 850:. 773:}} 767:{{ 597:). 573:). 446:/ 442:: 242:, 238:, 234:, 230:, 180:) 78:; 1446:( 1430:( 1399:( 1378:( 1343:( 1326:( 1311:( 1221:( 1191:( 1169:( 1150:( 1124:( 1108:( 1045:3 1041:2 1037:1 960:. 734:. 645:. 549:. 515:. 422:. 258:. 196:· 190:· 182:· 175:· 169:· 163:· 157:· 152:( 82:. 20:)

Index

Talk:Tamil people
Skip to table of contents
talk page
Tamils
not a forum
Click here to start a new topic.
Learn to edit
get help
Assume good faith
Be polite
avoid personal attacks
Be welcoming to newcomers
dispute resolution
Neutral point of view
No original research
Verifiability
Google
books
news
scholar
free images
WP refs
FENS
JSTOR
TWL

Indian English
varieties of English
relevant style guide
broad consensus

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.

↑