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As far as I can tell, your edit does nothing to address the issues raised above (with pronouns/wording, which the lead already does not use), and only adds a second name. Was this person ever notable under that other name, e.g. famous under that name as a musician, as they are under the current name?
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I would say, let's make the edit it as it moves us in the right direction. As much as it helps with the vagueness, I agree that it doesn't fully solve it. However, there's no need to keep the article reading so poorly simply because a perfect solution hasn't been found yet.
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It's absolutely ridiculous to use to poor and confusing grammar to humor someone with a complete lack of basic biology principles. Acceptance is one thing, but dumbing down society for individual self gratification is FUCKING RETARDED.
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Sultana is female. The use of female pronouns ought to be used. The article is confusing in it's use of pronouns as mentioned by PointyOintment. This needs to be edited to reflect her gender.
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