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90: 269:. I already explained why the discussion was closed as "no consensus", but if you insist, I'll rephrase it in more blunt terms: You did not make a reasonable effort to inform interested editors of the proposal, neglecting even the most basic step of tagging both the relevant articles, so a consensus to merge based on there being no response is obviously invalid. Speaking of unconstructive editing though, I can't help but notice that you've 80: 53: 22: 349:
doesn't say anything that couldn't be copied into here, with the exception of flatness. There is no discussion in either article about why and how flatness is convenient, good, useful, etc. as compared to the general case... That is why these three articles are confusing, and overlap so much. Its a
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Based on the edit history, it looks like you made all of the needed changes. After a quick skim, it seems to be correct. I removed the nag note, and added one more sentence again reminding that vier=four in German, that viel=many (much). It would be nice if examples were given for some common GR
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should be merged here. The title should be "tetrad f.." rather than "cartan f.." because the former has slightly (~40%) more google hits and 3+ times more book search results. (Certainly shouldn't be some far less common german equivalent term.)
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metrics (or are these in other articles?) You mentioned Kaluza-Klien; I recall that the exposition in David Bleecker, Gauge Theory and Variational Principles was rather direct and nice (for the classical, non-quantum case.)
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The discussion thread was not closed "for no other reason than lack of response"; it was closed because it's over three years old and merge discussions are supposed to be closed after one month, per
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I would support a merge under the name Cartan formalism as the more general case, but I don't think that the dominant special case (tetrad formalism) warrants a separate article of its own. —
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How do you get 'no consensus' if 100% of the contributors shared a single view? Isn't it unconstructive to close a discussion thread for no other reason than lack of response?
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need not be the flat Minkowski metric. But other than that, this article says nothing at all that is particularly generic (or is it the other way around: the
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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I thought that the article should briefly mention the more general n-bein, e.g., the fünfbein in
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at the same time, and could not help but notice the similarity. So I asked at
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shame, because they should highlight differences, rather than similarities.
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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
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