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748:- thanks for the reply. I think your are right -- while a link to the work being talked about is nice, and what the article says about them may be right, supporting what the article says about the works needs a cite to third party commentator. I'll try a bit, caveat I'll try to find what is usually said per WEIGHT and what is here might not have any supports online. And that my take on this is slightly different than the article -- I see it as talk about physics, at least at root that motions and changes proceed towards some endpoint. (stones fall to earth, acrons grow into oaks) and Aristotle was trying to explain how things change, and that folks still expllain things by reference to their purpose. Cheers 1161:): is "polemic morass" a term of art in cosmology or ontology? A cosmological/ontological sense isn't obvious, so an indication of what it means here would be helpful. Is the proposition that the "... chief instance, and the largest polemic morass, of teleological viewpoint in modern cosmology and ontology is the teleological argument that posits an intelligent designer as a god" verifiable? Without a reference, it looks like original research. Can anyone help, please? --- 534: 518: 502: 580: 590: 562: 263: 235: 219: 338: 949:- Not me, at least not much. To clarify, by "obviously the lead could be rewritten" I meant only there were many ways to phrase things and choices of what to say and illustrated with a plausible but fairly different one. I might skip out on doing a full rewrite though, and go more for cutting any bits not further supported by the article body. Cheers 404: 369: 414: 1114:
This section is wholly devoted to Ludwig von Mises (and his controversial "science" of praxeology), whose historical figure is not specified (Austrian, libertarian, right wing, heterodox, etc. could all be used). It also omits any discussion of Marx's historical materialism, which drew on Hegel's
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A number of the other claims appear to cite primary sources as well, and although I'm less familiar with economics, it seems that even the connection of this metaphysical topic to an entire other field of study should rely on more direct attributions of
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Noting TALK has no section for discussion and the article seems to have no action for that tag, and no specifics about where it differs from MOS or accessibility, I have put in this section. The template does not explicitly call for it and so the
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At the very least, the "History" and "Modern philosophy" sections only cite primary sources, which especially in the case of Plato and Aristotle can't possibly be sufficient, given that "teleology" as a discipline is a later
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I would also remind you that "no work being done" is not a reason to remove a tag. And in this case I believe the tag is still unquestionably valid given the state of the History section, so it shouldn't be removed.
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Please contribute, e.g. by describing your concern with some specifics further than the edit comment "it would be difficult to name a single predicate in this article that originated from a reliable source".
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you really don't need to ping me about this, you've been here a while, so I assume you are competent and capable of reading the MOS and determining for yourself what was wrong, as per your statement that
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where it says "Note: This template should not be applied without explanation on the talk page, and should be removed if the original research is not readily apparent when no explanation is given."
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Please contribute, e.g. by describing your concern with some specifics further than the edit comment, perhaps suggested content or detailing critiques of specific locations with reasoning.
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I tag articles that appear to me to have issues, so that improvements can be made to them. If you make improvements, and you believe the issues are no longer valid, you may remove the tag.
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the
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teleological philosophy of history and has been of far broader historical consequence than Mises. It finishes with external links to articles on a wiki devoted to Mises.
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Noting TALK has no comment and the article seems to have no action for that tag, and no specifics about the concern, I have put in this section per the
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Those seem enough to consider as providing the requested lead rewrite -- I'm not getting into non-lead items as those would be different threads, e.g.
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guide about when to remove a tag does not explicitly say this is cause for removal, but it does look like a lack of edits and/or talk page discussion.
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moved into the Science section the para mentioning current debate on use - there is summary note of it in the second para, no need for detail in lead.
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that they either (believe that they) know or (believe that they) don't know which answer to that question is true. This isn't any kind of
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editorial remark about creationists that seems misplaced in this article (and telos "end" is not the same as design "mechanism")
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I'm thinking that if the concern hasn't gotten any involvement, then it might as well be removed, but wanted to try this first.
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moved into a See Also the one-line para mentioning Kant (as UNDUE or not enough of article content to justify lead mention per
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But again those are not part of this thread topic so for now do you think the lead rewrite tag to be removed ? Cheers
315: 168: 974:- I have made those cuts to the lead, please examine and see if you agree that LEAD REWRITE tag should now be removed. 282: 135: 185: 109: 1213: 1065:"Modern Philosophy" tagged for expansion seems to need a cut instead as it is not philosophy, but just a oneline 901:, teleology is used to describe where psychological norms are dependent on at least in part on functional norms. 199: 1139: 190: 355: 823:
of a thing or event. A teleology holds that there is a final cause or purpose coming either from within, an
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in philosophy (versus as a form of phrasing) and remove odd/long "which serves as" phrasing in the line
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I think obviously the lead could be rewritten --and will offer the below from a google then looking at
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view that an action's ethical right or wrong is based on the balance of good or bad consequences. In
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Why is deontology even part of this article? Deontology is not a teleological ethical theory.
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with the edit comment "lead should be rewritten to follow MOS and be more accessible".
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The wording is a simple sum of parts, an adjective describing a noun: the area of
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it, one would need to point to an aspect of teleology that is more
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should be less a quotefarm and get mention teleology as one of the
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tradition in philosophy. It's rationale was explored in detail by
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at all, let alone original research; on the contrary, it is
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rephrased first line to start with saying it as a branch of
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Having no reply to the contrary, I will remove the tag.
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than it: subject to greater polemics. There isn't one.
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