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Statement (State that you have a social conservatist position in a footnote) From populist sources "Lee's core pledge of a universal basic income has also been labeled populist." However, the DPK itself is not being treated as a populist party. if that means Social conservatism should also be reduced
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Also, you have to get rid of the part where you wrote one single gay city council member represents the entire party’s stance. Also you mentioned Geum Tae Seop, while he has been kicked out from the party for a while. He does not represent DPK. Also you mentioned Park Jo Hyeon, however she has been
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All statements I write are based on evidence. If you object, please add a statement of opposing opinion based on evidence. Due to regulations, the existing statement cannot be removed without agreement through discussion.
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A lot of what you said above is hard to see Lee Jae-myung as social conservatism (by Korean standards), and the current Lee Jae-myeong leadership is relatively progressive. But the reason I said social conservatism was
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I know the case of overseas political parties, and it was a great help to understand the situation. However, I think that social conservatism should be written down even if it is a sect like
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Just to inform you, Mu has been banned indefinitely for being a sockpuppet of Storm, a user from a year ago. As for the ideology, I'm for it as most of the party of socially conservative.
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In April 2020, ‘progressive’ became a word referring to the ruling Democratic Party of Korea. No one has any objection to calling the Democratic Party the ‘biggest progressive force.’
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Thank you for agreeing to write "centrist". We will change only part of the ideology, so if you object to it, please feel free to leave a message, return it, or modify it. Thank you.
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extreme minority, so it dosen’t represent the entire party’s stance. The speaker of the house who is from DPK are literally calling for conversion therapy and total ban on abortion
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Liberalism (Korea) Since the description itself in this way includes the meaning of Korean liberalism, I think it will be able to express the big aspect of social liberalism well.
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