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I don't buy the story that the band's name came from mishearing P.P. Arnold saying "Here comes the Naz". P.P. Arnold toured for a year with the Small Faces, who recorded a song called "Here Comes the Nice". She recorded on the
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It's a good page, very good compared with others I've seen. However, when most of the albums have their own Wiki pages, how much sense does it make to have that information duplicated in the band's main page? It makes maintenance difficult and could thus give rise to inconsistencies. Also, there's no
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