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804:- I think I've done the bulk of your suggestions. The part I have still to deal with is the page numbering for some of the cites. I'm away for a few days attending a funeral of a friend. If you could have a look over what I have done, and let me know what you feel still needs working on, and I'll get that done on my return, along with the page numbering.
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I agree with the above, and wish I'd paid more attention as I was citing because it's going to be a pain in the arse to put them in now! ;-) The
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There really isn't anything significant on Jordan Rufus, other than as the husband of Pady. It's not even known for sure if his surname is Rufus, it could be Ruffy, or Rasus, or le Rus; and we don't know when he was born or died. The sources are more interested in the conveyance of the land. One
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549:). It conveys here quite succinctly the information needed, that that are a variety of memberships, not all listed. It is possible to reword it: "The ties mostly indicate membership of a variety of institutions, such as clubs, sports teams, schools and colleges." Actually, I quite like that. Done!
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I puzzled over the nature of the wills as I was researching this. Some texts are more vague than others, and it is difficult to be certain. I didn't want to wander into original research by making assumptions. She appears to have acquired several pieces of land, of which two pieces adjoined each
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IMO a one word descriptor like "historian" or "antiquarian" suffices in these cases, just so the reader has a touch of context for whose opinion is coming or who's being mentioned. Knowing that someone is a historian makes for a slightly different take than knowing they were a poet.
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I've reworded it a bit. It's not exactly clear who was giving what, but it is Pady who is doing the giving of land (to the priory) that had been given to her (by her two husbands). She is still alive at this point, so I have removed mention of wills as that just confuses things.
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Ah, okay. I was initially under the impression that they were historically significant as they were mentioned by name (especially since the other husband was a mayor), but if the sources don't know who they are, no big.
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I typically feel like entries in pop culture sections should relate how the subject is significantly related to the media. To that end, could we expand slightly on "The Bear is a location in...Oxford Blues"?
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I think that works - basically just establishing that it's something that matters to the movie rather than just a place they walked by in one shot. ♠
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