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limitation on the number of articles or limitations on what qualifies as necessitating an article, so why recommend we do that? And a lack of sources doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an article, it just means that the content of the page should consist primarily of common knowledge or that sources need to be found, or as a last resort "un-sourced flags" can be put up. Several pages lack sources but few of them are recommended for deletion. And you think the quality of wikipedia would "go to shit?" The already abounding POV, flaming, poor grammar, terrible spelling, and lack of intellectual writing seem to be bigger threats to the quality of wikipedia, and those exists on almost all discussion and article pages.
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I didn't say you that you don't know enough about the topic. I said if you don't know enough and it was not intended as an implication but as a preventative measure to keep someone from retorting "I can't fix it because I don't know enough about the topic." The topic is "This is a vanity Page." Since
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Granted, but bad publicity does have an effect on companies stock, even if its coming from within a small niche group. Do we know if any larger news sources picked up on the story? If so, that would draw a fairly conclusive link. Also, im refering to a few day period after the article, not a quarter.
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article, previous versions have claimed that Maddox was deceptive and "lost a large readership" as a result. The current version is just lame - a description of one his articles, which in itself is signifiacnt enough for inclusion here (if we include that, then we have to include every other article
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It *IS* the controversies section. I think it is really part of the content of the site. The only actual source is about the "MADD" people getting mad, and the selfpub review of the site that mentions MAM. My thinking is that this should be a subsection with 2 short paragraphs...1 mentioning the
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receives thousands of hits a day and it too was deleted. I don't know enough? I literally wrote most of this article. Where did I ever say that it was vanity? I said it may not be suitable for existence here, but that anon was the one who said that it was vanity, not me. I don't have a problem
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October of this year when GeoCities closes. I don't see MAM as being really all that notable considering their sole claim to fame was a briefly 'popular' online petition against Maddox that lasted for about five months before people ignored it. Maybe include it in a
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bit.Other than that your argument is crap. And listing crappy articles on wikipedia would take much more time than I have. The page is not a vanity page and it doesn't need to be deleted. The web page receives thousands of hits daily and has a major fanbase that seems to warrant an article. If you
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I think so, but erring on the side of caution let's discuss it. Plus I only have one addition to the collection. If you Google "My Balls Are Huge" or on Yahoo "I hate old people", it brings you to Maddox's site. That's not enough to start a whole section, IMO, but does anyone else have semi-useful
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This page is obviously written by Maddox himself and features nothing but bragging, written in third person. Not only that, it only shows Maddox's view on his controversies, like MaM. The site was formed, so Maddox spammed their petition and mirrored it on his site to spam it some more? Where are
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Charity has little to do with the site itself, and is more of a personal venture of Maddox's, even if the visitors of the Best Page in the Universe contributed to it. Also, the fued between the Something Awful and Maddox has very little to do with the Best Page in the
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have a problem with a POV slant, change it instead of crying for deletion. If you don't know enough about the subject then you can look up information on it, or have someone with more knowledge on the topic make the changes. Or if it reaally bothers you try to have it merged with Maddox's site.
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Was the petition one of the ten largest on the site (and is it a reputable site?) for a significant amount of time? The group MAM sounds inconsequential if they gave up after being spammed. To most serious groups, such an unfair response is an incentive to get a regulated petition
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Its not the best written article on wikipedia, but I don't think it needs to be deleted. It has a lot of readers, fans and critics. There are several articles about less important or noteworthy subjects that are even more poorly written. Let's start at the bottom and work our way
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Shouldn't this section be referred to in the past-tense? I'm pretty sure this group (in probability no more than one or two persons with a few sympathizers) is no longer around and hasn't been for 5 years now. The only 'independent' (non-mirror) evidence of their existence, a
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I won't edit this in, seeing as I can't find the data again (Orbitz has since changed hands), but there was a noticable drop in the value of Orbitz stock immediately following the Maddox article. If someone knows of a place to look it up, the stock ticker was "ORBZ"
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line with sourcing. Also....how is MaM notable again? We can show their views but what sourcing do we have to indicate the organization was/is serious and active and that their views represent a reasonable perspective on the issue of his website?
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I took up an argument counter to the topic's I assume anyone arguing against my argument would be agreeing with the topic, sorry. Also when I said "your argument is crap" I meant the whole deletion argument not just what you specifically said.
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Yeah, I can easily identify what doesn't belong in
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Isn't there some organization that monitors hits to web pages or something? That could be used as a third party reference, and if the MAM site is still up maybe it can be used as a reference of sorts.
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I reverted it because it looked like a really small fan site, in comparsion to the large installed fanbase of The Best Fan Page in the Universe. But if it is a more thorough list, I'll leave it be.
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non-Maddox visitor cares how much he updates? The article attacks the Mothers against Maddox, treats the controversy like babble, and treats Maddox like a god, hence my use of the word "cult").
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