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to include the names of scholars unless there's a reason (for example, they have an article on
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Firstly, citations must be attached to punctuation. I think the themes section suffers most heavily from this because it’s the one people will most readily add to (but the problem exists elsewhere — have a look through the article; if you don't catch them all then I'll clean up the remainder). A very
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references in the book, but the page cited does not appear via Google Books' search function (it’s mentioned 10 times, and I can only see two — so I believe it’s there). We'll come back to this. Mizener is, again, a credible source (this is a different piece of his, appearing in a publicly available
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has eight references; that is too many. Break this sentence and others like it up. The specific characteristics of the flapper do not need to be so heavily referenced to
Fitzgerald's book. If there is a critic who identifies Daisy as a flapper, that's all that's needed there. I realise plagiarism is
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LettersofNote.com web source as unreliable citation and deleted the Symkus 2013 citation as redundant. The factoid that the novel is about to fall into
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Couldn't sleep. Made some follow-up changes to the lead; it’s important that it reflects some of the literature (given how much of the article is devoted to it). It might warrant being a little more in-depth, but — as I said — the bar for GA is much lower than GA. You can hash it out there. Since
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Fitzgerald's other work) is reflected in its citation. There is only a mention to one other story by Fitzgerald, so it feels like there's an implication (that his other major novels contain antisemitic characterisation and caricatures) which isn't really
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I have rewritten many of the direct quotes and tried to paraphrase as much as possible, especially in the Themes section. The only substantive blockquote that I believe should be kept is
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Bechtel asserts Fitzgerald carefully plotted his 1925 novel to illustrate that this class permenance transcends wealth in America and is reinforced by an array of social dynamics: "East Egg and West Egg not only symbolize the economic dialectic of rich versus poor, but the strong
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758:. Since accessing the claims made in the radio program will likely be difficult for future reviewers, I updated the citations to use Mizener 1965 and Bruccoli 2002. Both books list the same names regarding the other alternative titles. You can verify the Bruccoli 2002 book citation via the
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a problem word for this article, but that sentence is very close to being exactly word-for-word what Conor writes. All of the citations directly citing the book, then, are an issue, because it appears like that might be Conor's research. This article should not be directly referencing
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I will also add that there's a very important part of the book, with Tom near the beginning (where he has his scree) regarding the permanent damage the workers sustain as a result of... I think... silver polish. It might come up during GA that it’s weird that it’s missing from here.
1067:, you'll notice that there's only one inset quote like that. They tend not to be liked, and only needed when they convey information that cannot be suitably or efficiently paraphrased. I don't think that's the case with this. I'll leave this to your discretion. Regarding our prose,
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I originally read the Keeler article in full via
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1966:: This basically concludes my review. I've made a few additional changes. I hope this hasn't been too painful for you — it’s a big article, and all things considered it was looking good when we started. I think it’s looking pretty strong now, and on track to not be
1940:, Thanks for letting me know. I'm still going to go as quickly as we can to have the article done by the time the text becomes public domain, which might result in some additional traffic! But I didn't know that, having not seen the article's OTD/DYK history.
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Fitzgerald himself). I am not, though, going to make this an issue for
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I cannot, however, track down the Bruccoli source online. I'm fairly confident that it would pass, given Bruccoli's pedigree & quotes supplied by the citations. Similar problem with Monica Randall's reference. I can see that Beacon Towers
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A few minor comments which are not related to the references, because the references are completely fine and acceptable. Regarding the quote here, I'm just worried that it falls outside of the scope of this particular article. It’s about
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a difficult FAN, especially with a few of you working on it. I recommend your last step – before you call me back here – be ensuring that the lead is a good summary of the rest of the article. Once you're satisfied, just give me a ping.
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Good job, everybody! I worked on the previous Good Article reviews. I didn't notice this was going on until after it was over (it is mentioned in this edition of the Signpost because it's going out of copyright). Keep it up.
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Dianne Bechtel asserts that Fitzgerald plotted the novel to illustrate that class transcends wealth in America. She continues that even if the wealthy become rich, they cannot become associated with old
371:, myself, and others will try to nudge this article towards FA status once it achieves GA status. The novel's centennial is only a few years away, so I might as well start fixing these issues now. --
396:. For a book like this, the themes section is not ready. Big topics, like Fitzgerald's treatment of the American Dream, quote directly far too much. Please paraphrase their ideas. For example, this:
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