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Foundation. Charles "Chic" Cicero's contacts with Regardie were, at best, incidental: Regardie visited him in Georgia in order to initiate Patricia Behman a/k/a Cris Monnastre in his vault; and exchanged a few letters with Cicero. Most of the papers "preserved” by HOGD, Inc. were purchased by Maria Babasingh from the Trustee of the Israel Regardie Foundation; and then given by her to Cicero (Babasingh is a director of HOGD. Inc.). Thus, Cicero cannot claim to derive any "lineage" from Regardie. --
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is not enough. There are plenty of people who've disagreed with me, but don't have all the earmarks of a sock. I discuss with them and reach consensus. I find it's not really possible to reach consensus with the type of user who lectures rather than discusses. That appears to be the type of both yourself and your suspected puppetmaster. Ciao!
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after 10 days of extended discussion. He removed his own !vote before closing the discussion to assure neutrality, and even after removing his own vote, there were comments by 14 editors and only 4 or 5 of them were in favor of deletion. There may not have been a clear consensus for "keep", but it
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There is none. However, this is not a NPOV article. Moreover, any comment which does not coincide with IPSOS agenda is either ignored; or actually edited out of the discussion.It is patently untrue that Israel Regardie initiated Charles "Chic" Cicero and/or Tabatha Cicero into ANY grade of the Golden
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In fact, Regardie's only students were William Kennedy, Patricia Behman a/k/a Cris Monnastre, Larry Epperson a/k/a Adam Forrestt, and Alan Miller a/k/a Christopher Hyatt. In fact, Regardie left his literary estate, papers etc. to Alan Miller a/k/a Christopher Hyatt as Trustee of the Israel Regardie
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No, I'm very selective, actually. A new, single-purpose account that supports another new, single-purpose account shortly after a contentious user was indefinitely blocked and who uses the same arguments as the blocked user is the level necessary to trigger my sock alert. Simply disagreeing with me
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In the magazine ref, is there any quote or detail that could be added to the article. Generally, for something to be a reference, it needs to verify something in the article. Otherwise it is just further reading. Unless there is something special about the podcasts, they probably should just be
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Dawn. Charles "Chic" Cicero "self-initiated" himself into 0=0. Larry Epperson a/k/a Adam Forrest, a student of Regardie, initiated Charles "Chic" Cicero in the elemental grades. Cicero has admitted that he was never actually initiated into ANY grade by Regardie.
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I've been sent a copy of a new age/occult magazine with interviews with Chic Cicero and Tabatha Cicero where they discuss their HOGD lodge. I'm not sure how to go about properly adding it to reference lists in the article, so I'm listing it here:
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I BELEIVE THAT THE DELETION DISCUSSION FOR THIS PAGE WAS ARBITRARILY ENDED BY GLAS FET W/O CONSENSUS. I REQUEST THAT IT BE RE-OPENED AND THAT THE FULL TEXT OF THAT DISCUSSION BE RESTORED. (CAPITALS INTENDED).--
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was obvious that there was not a consensus for deletion. I have never edited the article and as an uninvolved party I found the action of GlassFET appropriate and in accordance with policy. --
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as you so rightly point out, we keep the article. And finally, this is not the proper place to complain and will get you nowhere. The correct place, as I explained already on your talk page, is
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I don't know if these are significant to lend weight to verifiability and notability, but here they are. If someone thinks they should be added and knows the proper format, please do.
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It would seem that anyone who does not agree with you is automatically a "sock puppet." This is particularly true when you do not wish to address a concrete issue.--
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Funny, the lengths of the lines in this comment show that it was copy and pasted from somewhere. Care to disclose what website or mailing list you copied this from,
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I'm sorry. I just can't seem to find any third party information about this. Does anyone have a reference? The only thing the article has cited is the website.
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What does "initiatory lineage" through Regardie mean and how is this verified in the article exactly as being passed through Regardie to Cicero?
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And as I said on your talk page, the closure was overdue. It should have been closed on the 10th at which point the result would have been
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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There's also the following podcast interviews wherein the Cicero HOGD is discussed:
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linked as external links, if there is a direct link to them.
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As far as I can see, there is indeed consensus for the
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