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1888:"McCartney returned from holiday and started rehearsing with The Quarrymen, playing songs like, "Bye Bye Love" (The Everly Brothers) and "All Shook Up", which Lennon and the band had been trying to learn, without success. After returning from his summer holidays, McCartney made his debut at a Conservative Club social: The New Clubmoor Hall, Back Broadway, Norris Green, Liverpool, on Friday, 18 October 1957" - the first sentence also refers to him returning from summer holidays, right? If so it's a bit confusing in that that info is repeated. 545: 524: 828: 2644:

slightly less than no resemblance whatsoever to the US music it lifted its name from (At the suggestion of Bill Colyer, brother of New Orleans-style jazzband leader Ken). Indeed, from reading his Knowledge (XXG) bio it seems likely that Lonnie Donegan had never even heard the term or knew what it referred to. Basically Brit skiffle was a bunch of people with musical instruments singing the first songs that came into their heads. Loudly. --

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by John Lennon. For the purposes of this article I found it convenient to use the two-word form for the original band and the one-word form for the second incarnation (the proto-Beatles) that was formed for the Casbah residency. This isn't entirely consistent because the 1990s reunion band was styled "John Lennon's Quarrymen". --Theo 12:11, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

1131:"In 1997 the four surviving original members of the Quarrymen reunited to perform at the 40th anniversary celebrations of the garden fete performance at which Lennon and McCartney met for the first time. Since 1998, they have performed in many countries throughout the world, releasing four albums. Three original members still perform as the Quarrymen." 945: 1541: 619: 2230:"Two weeks later they heard that another skiffle band was already called The Blackjacks, so during a "mini-brainstorming" at Mendips, Shotton laughingly suggested naming themselves The Quarrymen after a line in their school's song: "Quarrymen, old before our birth / Straining each muscle and sinew", as they had never done much work at school." OK?-- 2829: 440: 1341:

Although in many ways the two names appear to be interchangeable there does seem to be an underlying difference. The original lineup had the two-word name on their drum head and on their business cards. It seems that the line in the school song used the one-word form and that was the style favoured

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It's common knowledge that The Beatles evolved from a band Lennon founded called the Quarrymen which is the subject of this article. This article talks about another band name of The Blackjacks of which there is no supporting citation. It seems that stories about The Beatles' origin go back to The

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Yes, and I have also found that contact card, that seems to have been miscredited in the book by Bob Spitz. I do not own that book, so I can't check what is actually written there. All I want to say is that the spelling Quarry Men is not incorrect. Both spellings have been used. there is no point in

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I have seen several items on the web saying that John and Paul used to busk under the name of The Nurk Twins as well as The Quarry Men. Any one know about this? "Before the Beatles, there was The Everly Brothers," (Chet)Atkins said in his stage introduction. He wasn't overstating the point: Prior to

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Can anyone give a citation that this is McCartney on the right of the image? It seems very unlikely as 1. he didn't meet Lennon until 3 weeks later, 2. he doesn't wear glasses, 3. McCartney's hair at the time was back at the sides and falling down at the front, this guy is more forward at the sides

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is defitely not an ERROR, as initially stated in the article. They even used that spelling on their bass drum!?. The reference to the "poster" that JL designed could be wrong. It is actually a small contact card saying "Rock'n'Roll, Skiffle: The Quarry Men - Open for Engagements - Manager Gateacre

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but it states so quite clearly on their web site. The main reason for this confusion comes from the fact that it was not possible to write the name across the bass drum in letters big enough to be seen, so the name had to be "split up" and Bob Spitz didn't help Hanton and the others to carry their

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What we need to realize is that the two (The Quarrymen or The Quarry Men) cannot be decided on. John Lennon himself writes 'The Quarrymen' so, as I've no choice but to believe it all falls on personal preference, I agree with John and call them 'The Quarrymen'. The majority of people (bootleggers)

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I assume whoever wrote the line "In the mid-1950s, there was a revival in the UK of the musical form 'skiffle' that had originated in the USA and had been popular in the US in the 1920s, '30s and '40s" is either too young to remember the 50s or American. The music that the UK called skiffle bore

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That's true, but I think it's useful to have separate articles - the two things are not the same, and most members of the Quarrymen were never in the Beatles. I'm sure there's plenty more that can be said about the Quarrymen than is here now, and most of it wouldn't be appropriate for the Beatles

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we say that he was not original, first performed 1958, but he performs today with three of the originals Davis, Garry, Hanton. If so then five were surviving of Griffiths and Shotton were not both original, or something. Lennon and the five I have named here are the six in our 1957-06-22 photo.

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This really threw me. Which name? I'm guessing the Blackjacks from 4 paragraphs up in the lede? This is way to far back for the reference here. If this is the case, the sentence should be changed to something more like "The band was originally named the Blackjacks, but two weeks later..."

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As it stands now, the article has "Pete Shotton" in para 2 (full and linked) and "Pete Shotton" in para 6. Inconsistently, the article has "Eric Griffiths" in para 1 (full and linked) and "Griffiths" in para 5. The distance (in paragraphs) is the same, but one is handled differently than the

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Also for what its worth as an outsider, I think the Quarrymen should retain a distinct article from The Beatles, as it is clearly a different band with 6 members, which is also stated directly during McCartneys 2019-2020 tour, and only half of which remained for the transition to the Beatles

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This may be a "reliable source" but it's inaccurate. The Quarry Men had several originals in their set in late 1957, and Mark Lewisohn (Beatles Chronicle) lists "I Lost My Little Girl" as part of the group's repertoire for 1957 too. Either it's a typo or Shotton has his years wrong.

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I think we should return the article to match the style guide and someone in favor of changing it ought to make a proposal for why this article needs to be different. If that proposal is accepted, the article ought to be changed so that it is consistent for all members of the band. —

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I didn't realize there was discussion of this before making a change to the citation. In my copy of Spitz, the Blackjacks info quoted above is on page 52. I updated the citation, which triggered an update to a subsequent reference to p51. Hope I didn't step on any toes, or worse. —

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I think there is an argument the other way, and it relates to the reason for the WP convention. Adding first names clutters the text, and when only a single person has that surname, eliminating the first name simplifies things and makes it easier to keep track of who is

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of the Quarrymen reunited to perform at the 40th anniversary celebrations of the garden fete performance at which Lennon and McCartney met for the first time. The band decided to continue playing, and since 1998 have performed in many countries throughout the world.

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The surviving members of the original line-up of the Quarrymen reunited in 1997 for the 40th anniversary of their performance at the 1957 Woolton village fete—which was the occasion of the first meeting of Lennon and McCartney. All

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I have to disagree with the latter comment - I've never heard this rumour before, and surely if something is in the hands of EMI, it's not going to be lost, especially considering that they only bought it ten years ago?

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The top-right image has the caption: "The Quarrymen performing in Rosebery Street, Liverpool on 22 June 1957 (Left to right: Hanton, Griffiths, Lennon, Garry, Shotton, and Davis) with Paul McCartney watching (right)"

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Almost two years have gone by since the last comment here, and by now Knowledge (XXG) has grown so much that there is no doubt I guess that The Quarrymen deserve their own article. I agree with everyone, including

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on the MoS talk page. I haven't stated a strong opinion one way or the other but I can see both points of view. Interested parties are invited to comment there and take any eventual action here if applicable.

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You got me there, because I repeated Shottons's name, and you said it was repetition (quite right) but can I repeat Griffiths' name, or say, "the latter", which seems a bit convoluted? I will do something.--

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we accept that the reformed "Quarrymen" of the 90s are a legitimate enyclopedic topic - and I guess they are - shouldn't the family tree include those lineups? Perhaps the Beatles should be a fork? --

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forming The Beatles, John Lennon and Paul McCartney played Everlys songs in a street-busking duo known as The Nurk Twins." Said in discussing the influence the Everly Bros. had on the Beatles tunes.

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The article quotes Pete Shotton: "During 1958, McCartney played his first self-composed song, "I've Lost My Little Girl", to Lennon, who was shocked and impressed, according to Shotton's account."

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OK I have taken out the reference to McCartney in the picture. If someone has historical evidence of it being him (not just looking similar) then they can put it back in, with a citation.

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has added first names even when a person's full name has already appeared previously in the article. I don't see any reason for this, and recommend that we follow the WP convention. —

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I am not convinced that the demo was recorded on a 78 rpm disc? I have a note that the recording engineer "later wiped the tape", which suggests that it was tape recorded. --

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Can't do that, because it's English Grammar. You can not write, "I don't have the same car you", because one should say, "I do not have the same car as you have". Sorry.--

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It actually is Quarry Men, read the biography of The Beatles by Bob Spitz. I believe he has done more research than any of you. It says clearly that it is the Quarry Men.

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I have the hardback version (which is where the refs come from) and it cost me a fortune. This is the price I have to pay for living in a foreign country. :))--

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The article does not seem to have a section on the band in recent years. The infobox says they have been active since 1993 but there is no mention of it.

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This initial line-up consisted of Lennon and Griffiths on guitars, Pete Shotton on washboard, and school friend Bill Smith on tea chest bass

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Surely it should start, The Quarry Men ARE a band... rather than WERE a band...? They just played a gig in Hungary, three days ago.

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Anyway... I have moved the sentence to the 1957 era, as McCartney joined then, but have added that the song was written in 1956.--

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Ref 78 has awkward formatting - "Fletcher, Tim (6 April 2002). Johhny and the Moondogs. Fletcher, Tim." - repetition of name.

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OH! What does that say? It says "The Quarry Men," that's right. Not Quarrymen. YOU IDIOTS, IT'S NOT FRICKIN' QUARRYMEN!

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When Lennon and McCartney would obviously meet well before 1997, as indicated by the previous descript before it?

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I have just added the first three, and Spitz's and Miles' books as references. It would be nice to see more... --

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Maybe Lennon thought McCartney's other original songs were not bad, but "I Lost My Little Girl" was a cracker?

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Maybe McCartney had never played the song to Lennon before (it being a bit personal about his mum, after all).

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This is strange, because if "Lennon's mother, Julia Lennon", was without commas it would seem strange, no?--

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surviving original members, Pete Shotton, Rod Davis, Len Garry, Eric Griffiths and Colin Hanton, performed.

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Before I get an answer to my email sent to the present band, would s'dy have some more clues or sources ?--

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and up at the front. 4. he looks older than Lennon in the pic.5. he's hanging out with a load of suits.

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OK, I'll change it to "The Quarrymen (also written as "The Quarry Men")"..... which I have just done --

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was to Lennon. She has been portrayed as not caring about Lennon, and it corrects a common untruth.--

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I have added it to "Sutcliffe", as it was only a booze-up idea, but worth mentioning in the lead.--

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I know it has always been fashionable to busk in Engaland. Did the lads busk or not?

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I think it is. Why wouldn't it be? That said, wasn't it "Quarrymen", one word? --

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Two weeks later they heard that another skiffle band already had the same name,

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Read the article, and you will now find that it was a weekend gig at a pub.--

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Just to clarify that it isn't an actual "Beatle" Quarry Men/Quarrymen CD. ;)

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I agree with Vera. Spitz got a lot of things right, but not everything.--

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Personally, I am of the belief that it is Quarry Men (two words). I have

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I thank thee kindly Giggy... (I'll keep it a secret just between us :)--

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Totally spot-on. It will be changed to, "McCartney made his debut",--

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