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the King's Chapel Burying Ground. There are about a supposed 1000 burials there of which 700 or so are known. That marble tablet states "This tablet in memory of" which, to my understanding, means the body is not buried there, at the memorial's location within the church but elsewhere. Also, the
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Actually we're pretty much in agreement. The sources do state 1)that he is buried in the yard and 2)his age is 59. I agree with all that of course. My issue - very picky *but* - is with the piping for the marble tablet's link. It should says something similar to "memorial tablet" or "memorial "
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As you can see the bottom part confirms King's Chapel yard. They say "tombstone" so I get the impression this is where he is buried. That's seems logical to me as he shows associated with King's Chapel as a singer, so apparently he was a member of this church. I notice they say "yard" and I am
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that portrait so it shouldn't be used as a ref for the preceding statement. This ref is tied to ref4 by the sentence - The Boston Museum of Fine Arts has a portrait of Increase Mather by Johnston, and the Massachusetts Historical Society also has one attributed to
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Labeling Johnston's memorial marker within WP as a "gravesite" would seem to be in error. His obit (*where* were you able to find a copy btw? The complete obit seems to be unavailable online - congrats on seeing it) states his body was buried
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transcription of the wording says Johnston was 39 years old at the time of his death and then there is the FindAGrave/User-edited aspect with Billiongraves. I'd like to discuss why you included this link and maybe why it should stay.
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Ref #20 - Green/1890 - this ref is legit contains GREAT information, AND contains the BOSTON EVENING POST May 11, 1767 17OBITUARY (why DC did not cite this as being where he got the Ref #33 info....*sigh) but does
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being a graveyard. It also says he was 59 years old as I say in the article. Does this help clear up things and verify the Beers link of page 572 as being correct. So, bottom line of what I have written in the
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Read it again a time or two to make sure... Well-written, engaging prose, great referencing. It was a pleasure to read up about Johnston & his life. This article is a WP:GA.
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for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the
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Ref #30 - Author is not REPS, author is Sinclair Hitchings. Colonial Society of Mass, Chapter should have been cited, multiple cites to this book seemingly under different refs
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Ref #29 - ALSO to Williams/1915 - available online via Hathi Trust...see Ref #5 + Ref #28 28 & 29 are the same ref, why are they 2 different cites, Page 228/182
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Ref #7 - 1924/Portraits of Increase Mather...This one might be problematic. States the Johnston portrait of Mather theory but then discounts that Johnston actually
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on who died in 1767. Also, the GW portraits this engraving is based on were done in 1783/84. In my opinion this image should be removed from the article.
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So. Johnston's actual burial/grave site seems to be located near that outside wall away from the actual Chapel building, in the corner nearest City Hall.
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OK, that is it for going through all the cites as to being available online or not. Next, picking apart the statements & possible paraphrasing etc.
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Is it just an odd coincidence that Johnston was born on May 8 and died on May 8, or is this an error in transcription from a source to this article? –
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I'm pretty sure that we do not know if he was 58 or 59 when he died. If he was born after May 8 in 1908, he would have been only 58. –
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Ref #23 - Winsor/1887...fully available, gives complete information on the copying of Johnston's original plate in other publications
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All the cited sources are reliable, the referencing is in agreement within the article but I have an issue with an External link.
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but I think his eyes are not as good as mine -OR- somebody wrote it wrong on that Tablet. With the two sources I found as saying
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I will do some deep passes to make sure I haven't missed anything but I will be inclined to Pass this article to GA status.
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Ref #5 - 1915/Williams - Ancestry of Lawrence Williams: Part I, Ancestry of His Father, Simeon Breed ...- Page n221/PART II
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Ref #33 - is to Thomas Johnston's May 11, 1767 Obituary and I have been unable to find it online so it should be deleted.
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Ref #26 - NYPL...not fully-available online, only available in a quoted/truncated form also #25/Readex is problematic
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File:The century illustrated monthly magazine (1882) (14595729868).jpg|thumb|upright 0.8| George Washington engraving
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section as being correct. How do you see it? Should I put in the article this additional reference of page 214? --
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Ref #14 & Ref #15 - 1971/colonial society of Mass - author? is not clear from the URL, also text unavailable
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Ref #25 - Readex/1964...available online but is this really needed? AGAIN with the "first historical print"
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I enlarged the Tablet picture on my PC screen of the BillionGraves webpage and it appears to me to be
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Ref #21 - Kane/1997...this ref is to a subscriber-only ref/archive.org cite and so I CANNOT check it.
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because the marble tablet is most probably *not* his actual grave marker or location of his remains.
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The Heraldic Journal confirms all this again of the burial place and age of fifty-nine years.
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City of Boston Historic Burying Grounds Initiative grave listing with individual locations
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Mistake on my part. Fixed to birth as only in 1708 and age of 59. Thanks for catching.--
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It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
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Ref #27 - Library of Congress...not available online AT ALL, also DC "quoted" from it
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I intend to do a GA review on this article and will start within the next few days.
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Here is another book source that says the same thing and says he is "buried" there.
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Ref #28 - Williams/1915 - available online at Internet Archive, another ancestry
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Ref #24 - Exhibition Catalogues/1908...listing of some of Johnston's engravings
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A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
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Ref #22 - Ramsay/1975...not available online and also, it isn't even NEEDED.
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Ref #3 - 1918/Dunlap - adjusted the URL-linkage to the exact page which
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Ref #33 - Obituary - UNAVAILBLE ONLINE BUT is AVAILABLE THROUGH REF #20
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Ref #10 - 1979/Owen - this Internet archive link is no longer available
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Ref #17 - 1957/Mass Hist Society...stated info is available at the cite
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It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing
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back up the statement it is attached to re: "persuaded Johnston" (etc)
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These refs are all online and check out as reliable. (This section is
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That's all for now. I work my way through all the refs eventually.
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to check out that 1)these sources exist and 2)they are reliable.):
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issues - no obvious copyright violations, no cleanup banners, etc.
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I just did some research on this and came up with a JSTOR article
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Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment
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Available online. Stated as an "apoplectic fit" - my mistake.
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Ref #16 - 2016/Ciment...stated info is available at the cite
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Ref #8 - 1915/Boston Daily Globe/Boston Folks Coats of Arms
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Working through this article's refs per the individual GAR
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closed with consensus to delist this group of articles
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