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Hitchens being a poor source in general, well, at least that vanishes in the case of the former bit, as I added a separate published source for that. As for the rest, I don't know if he reaches the standard all Wikipedians want, but all I can argue for is 1) it is a published book from a well-known author, and 2) it was already used other places on the page before I added this new content. Thoughts?
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president's birthday. Monroe stopped the letter from being sent, and after Paine's criticism of the Jay Treaty, which was supported by
Washington, Monroe suggested that Paine live elsewhere. ¶Paine then sent a stinging letter to George Washington, in which he described him as an incompetent commander and a vain and ungrateful person. Having received no response, Paine contacted his longtime publisher Benjamin Bache, the Jeffersonian democrat, to publish his Letter to George Washington of 1796…
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for letting it stay until further notice. I want to rebut two things: for the quote on what the user called "generational wealth", it was in fact about, as I mentioned in edit history, the right of past generations to bind future ones. But, Hitchens made the point that it sounded like an excellent
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and rethink and maybe revise this article and the other. Maybe consider mentioning the disputed figures? We could mention
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that support the change you want to be made. I'm sorry, but citing geography and a dictionary definition is requesting that your interpretation be put into the article as fact, when in fact it's considered
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The hyperlink "Rebels" (at the end of the first paragraph) should be changed to "Patriots". The wiki article it directs to is title "Patriots" and is the term that is historically accurate to their cause.
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