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1567:'is not commonly quoted or referred to in Britain except as a marginal character that the American revolutionaries admired.' This is also untrue, indeed Paine is, where appropriate, commonly quoted and referred to in the UK (which includes but is not synonymous with Britain) Also, that Khamba Tendal uses the term 'American revolutionaries' is suggestive he/she is from the US as that term is not in common use in the UK. If, as their language suggests, he/she is American their experience to make such a huge and generalised claim is doubtful.
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1617:'If you can provide reliable sources which verify that Paine is considered more of a British figure than an American one' Why do you ask me to provide support for a claim I did not make? Though, I do wait Khamba Tendal to provide support for his/her claims; until then Hitchen's razor is applied.
1620:'but I'm pretty sure I can say with confidence that the vast majority of us Brits have come to terms with the loss of our former colony' Rather bold of you to feel you are able to speak for millions of people. Nevertheless, the relevance of your confidence of the opinions of others escapes me.
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