Talk:Tibet - Knowledge (XXG)

409: 337: 829: 513: 449: 2761:, Kham was split and found in Tibet (TAR), Sichuan, and Yunnan." Size of Tibet always changed from its creation. You wrote "I do NOT see a lot of texts saying Kham is no longer Tibet.", do you mean "kham is no longer in Tibet"? Kham is always Tibetan region (藏区), but Kham is not Tibet (西藏). You wrote "Tibet is administratively split between the TAR and other regions.", this is not a good statement and it causes confusion. Can you provide link for your common source and we can review? 819: 798: 2722:

have read your exchange with SnowFire, as I have your other exchanges. You need to provide much stronger evidence than you have so far. As for arguing the traditional meaning of Tibet (which you do know) and the year - this is a circular argument: One cannot argue for the administrative boundary definition by reference to the administrative boundary definition. You need to show that texts shy away from using Tibet to describe the larger area in favour of the TAR.

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You're asserting your position, but it isn't matched up by what I'm seeing in texts in English. I do NOT see a lot of texts saying Kham is no longer Tibet. Quite the opposite. They typically say it is in Eastern Tibet. They say that Tibet is administratively split between the TAR and other regions. I

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That's similar analogy, China page was moved to PRC. Geographic regions of all Tibetan communities in China are called Tibetan regions, only some of Tibetan regions were incorporated in Tibet Autonomous Region, but that was done in the Qing. Current size of Tibet Autonomous Region is similar to size

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No. "China" means the nation of China, which is currently constituted by the PRC. Just as "France" means the nation of France, which is currently constituted by the French Fifth Republic. "Tibet" means a geographic region which is currently mostly incorporated in the Tibet Autonomous Region, but most

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2) long-term significance (greater enduring notability and educational value): boundary of Tibet (TAR) is defined, governance of Tibet is defined, if people travel to Tibet, we know immediately where. If you travel to Garze, we know exactly Garze is in Sichuan, not Tibet. Moving Tibet page to (TAR)

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as the first hit, which is very explicitly talking about Tibet-overall and directly goes over the shifting boundaries. Even if you could argue that "Tibet" meaning just the TAR has higher hits, there's also the issue above where Knowledge (XXG) usually prefers "core" / "overall" / "origin" articles

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page and maybe the hatnote. Except that wasn't contested or controversial - it was already there, and a link is already in the hatnote. You need to prove a stronger claim for the move you're proposing, that of primary topic. Put things another way, suppose there's a situation with three articles,

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The user has only proven that Tibet is also used for the TAR, not that it is used more than the region. Sources like Google and Bing Maps reflect the boundaries drawn up by China like they do so for Texas and other places, and sources in a geopolitical context (such as the US government) are more

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I think I've been very clear that I'm referring to how Tibet is described today in academic texts. I am very surprised you don't understand what is meant by "Tibet is administratively split between the TAR and other regions." You might want to work on not getting people's backs up if you want to

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states that commonly used name should be used as title of page, common examples are shown above: Google map, Bing map, travel agency of Tibet, Dalai Lama's statement, U.S. policy toward Tibet, and Britannica, all these common examples show that Tibet means Tibet Autonomous Region in general, and

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You do realize that you just destroyed your own argument, right? If "Geographic regions of all Tibetan communities in China are called Tibetan regions, only some of Tibetan regions were incorporated in Tibet Autonomous Region", then "Tibet" does not equal TAR even in China. Much less in English

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Here is organization of term Tibet (西藏) from zh.wikipedia.org, it points to TAR (西藏自治区), the term 西藏 was created long time before TAR (西藏自治区) was even created, it points to TAR (西藏自治区) because current meaning of 西藏 is 西藏自治区, and 西藏 not only maintains current meaning, it also inherits old

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TAR rather than the broader cultural grouping and historical Tibet.", this means one meaning for Tibet. I responded " I'm not proving Tibet unadorned means specifically just the TAR, but showing Tibet commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region.". This means Tibet has multiple meanings, and

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50%? If not, is it an "original" core meaning the others branch off of? To determine this, you need to do things like search for just the term unadorned ("Tibet" in this case) and see what meaning is intended, how often. For example, searching for "Tibet site:nytimes.com" has

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of Tibet in Qing under rule of the 8th Dalai Lama. Arabia is not a good example since Arabia has relatively defined boundary, and there are multiple countries in Arabia. Tibet is a political entity, there's one government involved and size changed in different periods of time.

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For all the common sources we discussed so far, they all suggest term Tibet means TAR, and it inherits old properties of Tibet. Tibetan Region, or Greater Tibet (藏区) is not Tibet (西藏), Tibet (西藏) has defined boundary at different periods of time. This is what I wrote "in

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Chinese term for Tibet is 西藏, this term 西藏 was first used in 1663 AD, it's commonly used for the TAR 西藏自治区. Chinese term for Tibetan region (or Tibetan area, or Great Tibet) is 藏区, obviously, boundary is not defined for this, area and population are not defined for this.

2238:. The Tibetan Empire lasted only ~200 years. This sentence shows term Tibet inherits old properties of the place, those properties may or may not be valid with the current Tibet, for example, the Amdo and Kham regions are no longer parts of Tibet. Amdo was replaced by 1032: 2857:(1758-1804). The English term Tibet was created in 1774 AD. If you check maps, current sizes of Tibet, Qinghai and Sichuan are almost identical to those in 1774. So, your statement is obviously not reliable. Now question for you, if the land ruled under the 1752:

just the TAR rather than the broader cultural grouping and historical Tibet. But I don't think that's true; English language media routinely refers to Tibetans as Tibetans wherever they are as well as the general history of the region. For comparison, see

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Sorry, I just don't find your sources compelling. My example is from The New York Times, a major source of "serious" English-language media. Your source is visualcapitalist.com , which is just some website. I tried searching "Tibet site:bbc.com" and got

1748:. None of the sources above are supportive of the claim. Nobody contests that "Tibet Autonomous Region" is often shortened to "Tibet", and of course maps need to show the current boundaries. You need to show via sources that "Tibet" unadorned means 1539:, the Tibet Autonomous Region page should become Tibet page, current Tibet page should become new page Tibetan Area (or Tibet Region, or Greater Tibet) 藏区. Both current titles "Tibet" and "Tibet Autonomous Region" do not follow Knowledge (XXG)'s 2875:

Given that you are not responding to anyone's point that you need to produce English sources to show how the term is used in English, and given that you repeatedly misrepresent what I and others have written, I am not going to bother responding

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I think SnowFire clearly wants "sources that "Tibet" unadorned means specifically just the TAR rather than the broader cultural grouping and historical Tibet.", agree? To be fair, I think same criteria can be applied for "Greater Tibet", agree?

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Have you read my discussion with SnowFire above? Tibet (西藏) means mostly TAR (西藏自治区), it also inherits old properties of Tibet, and we can say "Somewhere is in Tibet", or "Somewhere was in Tibet", since the boundary of Tibet changed with time.

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4. The central authorities will not alter the existing political system in Tibet. The central authorities will also not alter the established status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama. Officials of various ranks shall continue to hold

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You might be reading PRIMARYTOPIC right, but I'm unsure as you don't seem to understand what SnowFire said. SnowFire effectively said you would have to show that the TAR is the primary topic, and that they do not believe you have done so.

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Both the map and description suggest Tibet means TAR. As stated, boundary of Tibet has changed in different periods, when the English term Tibet was created in the Qing Dynasty in 1774, the size is similar to current TAR. Obviously,

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Let's understand more. Are you referring Tibet in 1774 AD when the English term Tibet was first created? or you're referring to Tibetan region (藏区)? 2 different concepts, the whole Tibetan region was never under rule of the

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references to Tibet are not limited to the TAR. This is more similar to "Arabia" which is a geographic region mostly incorporated into Saudi Arabia, but where most references to Arabia are not limited to Saudi Arabia. --

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Instead of guessing SnowFire's statement, probably we need clarification from SnowFire. I've already provided various sources (maps, government policies, encyclopedia, travel agency) which indicate term Tibet means

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is not a good example, the term Brittany was created and used since the 1st century, then later it became part of France in 1532. The term Tibet was created and started to be used starting 1663 AD, that's when the

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1) with respect to usage if it is highly likely: those common (maps, government policies, encyclopedia, travel agency) sources I provided suggest Tibet is highly likely means Tibet Autonomous Region, not other

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Can you explain what is historical region? Boundary of Tibet, or any administrative region of China, even China itself changed in different periods. Is this true for the city, or country you live?

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I've been browsing a few academic books available on google books, and there simply isn't a clear pattern of "Tibet" being used to mean specfically TAR. Most often, there is a distinction

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Tibet 西藏 commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region, similarly China means PRC, the Tibet Autonomous Region page should become Tibet page, this page should become new page Tibetan Region 藏区.

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If you read my discussion below, you will see the point. One quick test to check whether Tibet means a region defined by political entity, or Tibet means all Tibetan regions of China:

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Obviously the English term Tibet is right translation of Chinese term 西藏 in this agreement. The 14th Dalai Lama ratified this agreement using term Tibet in 1951. As stated before, in

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properties, and those old properties may be even before term 西藏 was created. This means we can say "Tibet is something something", we can also say "Tibet was something something".

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Hello? The term "Tibet" does not mean "historical region of Tibet", it means Tibet, the size of current Tibet (TAR) is similar to that Tibet in the Qing Dynasty of China.

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Both Tibet in map, and Tibet in description all aligned with fact the current Tibet is TAR, and term Tibet definitely inherits old properties. Do you see the same thing?

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is a country, and both have defined but different sizes. There are 2 political entities in Ireland, when I say I will travel to Ireland, you will definitely ask if it's

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Hello? No more comments? the term "Tibet" does not mean "historical region of Tibet", it means Tibet, the size if current Tibet (TAR) is similar to that Tibet in the

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Also the "China page was moved to PRC" is factually incorrect. What happened was that the improperly separated PRC article was folded back into the China article. --

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TAR and Tibet. Occasionally "Greater Tibet" is used, or "ethnographic Tibet", but only where it is contrasted with TAR, not with a notion of modern "Tibet".

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Since you mentioned "traditional meaning of Tibet", can you explain what is "traditional meeting of Tibet"? Which year in history are you referring?

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Possibly depending on what you mean, we usually distinguish the two terminologies to reduce confusion. SnowFire has explained what is needed.

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The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's Republic of China.

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I'm not sure what you're asking me to agree to, but any assertion of a primary topic would have to provide evidence of what a word means.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Tibet Autonomous Region is one of the autonomous regions of the People's Republic of China and is commonly abbreviated as Xizang (Tibet).

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You do need to show that "Tibet" unadorned means specifically just the TAR in most cases order to demonstrate it is the primary topic.

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back, which also talks about Tibet overall rather than only the TAR. I mentioned it before, but I will again suggest the example of

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is irrelevant to the move you propose, as both topics have a common name of "Tibet". A move would require a case that identified a

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was established in 1724, it was no longer part of Tibet, size of Sichuan was also adjusted in that time frame. After the fall of

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Agreement of the Central People's Government and the Local Government of Tibet on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet,

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boundary is defined. Again, I'm not proving "Tibet" unadorned means specifically just the TAR, but showing Tibet commonly means

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Tibet, the remote and mainly-Buddhist territory known as the roof of the world, is governed as an autonomous region of China.

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Historically, Tibet was much larger than the autonomous region, being made up of three major areas - U-Tsang, Amdo and Kham.

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CMD is correct. You've basically made the case that "Tibet Autonomous Region" is also called "Tibet", and should be on the

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Another point is that for Tibetan regions outside Tibet (TAR), Tibetan population makes up about 50%-70% of population, for

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Good comment, let me add move notice on both current "Tibet" page, and the other "Tibet Autonomous Region" before moving.

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More information: size of Tibet changed in different periods in history, at its largest, more than 50% of current

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definitely has long-term significance. That's already done for zh.wikipedia.org the the same terms 西藏 and 西藏自治区.

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Tibet is a part of the People's Republic of China. It is an autonomous region of the People's Republic of China.

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Can you provide common source for the general use of term Tibet? meaning all the Tibetan regions in China?

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In spite of a long (and at times rather heated) discussion, the consensus is against the proposed move.

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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The size of total Tibetan regions in China is much bigger than Tibet(TAR) itself, that's common sense.

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Maps, government policies, encyclopedia, travel agency I provided above all suggest Tibet refers to

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Tibet, historic region and autonomous region of China that is often called “the roof of the world.”

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Text has been copied to or from this article; see the list below. The source pages now serve to

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was signed in 1951. Let's study term Tibet in this agreement, the full title of agreement is:

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Another test: If I tell you I will travel to Tibet this summer, do you think I may stay in

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of China, size of Tibet at that time was similar to current Tibet (TAR), this means the

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Tibet commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region, this suggests primary topic of Tibet is

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usually refers to the wider cultural region. That seems to be similar to the case of

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on its talk page. You would also need to propose a new title for this page, perhaps

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since the creation of the Dalai Lama title. The place which was under rule of the

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Here's one common example, this recent (5/30/2024) piece news talks about China:

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As stated, this is similar to the PRC vs. Greater China case, primary topic of

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Can you explain? Tibet in which year in history are you referring to Tibet?

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All the sources found on this talk page so far suggest that Tibet means

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in recent time. You can see, these names can change, size can change.

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Tibet is administratively split between the TAR and other regions.

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Since you're not willing to provide source for your statement: "

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4. 对于西藏的现行政治制度，中央不予变更。达赖喇嘛的固有地位及职权，中央亦不予变更。各级官员照常供职。

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of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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